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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9203771" data-attributes="member: 7030563">It is a sacrifice casters have to make because they only get so many spells.I also do not think you could build an 8th level full caster as good at both the social and exploration pillars as that character in the example.  Consider with a 20 casting stat you have 13 spells to prepare, that is it.  Maybe you could do a Bard that good, but I would have to really think about it a while.You can do an 8th level Ranger that is better than that, but again you are going to sacrifice Constitution to do it and push points into Wisdom and Charisma.No, you are missing some important things. Most notably Giants Might 4 times a day and Runic Shield 4 times a day.  You also have Second Wind 1/sr and a Fighting Style and they are both significant.Finally fire Rune (which you suck at) and Frost Rune (which sucks as a combat ability in general). Those are not doing much for you, but they are also not nothing. Even as weak as Fire Rune is on an 11DC it is still a minimum of 6d6 damage per day with 3 short rests and a small chance to restrain and do more damage.  As such Fire Rune alone is probably as good in combat as everything the Champion has from its subclass at 8th level.With Giants Might, Runic Shield, Cloud Rune and your weak Runes, you are already better in combat than several other fighter subclasses (Champion, PDK), competing with a few more subclasses (Battlemaster and Samaurai) and beating most Monks.  And all of those are playable classes/subclasses ...... and you are doing in a build purposely optimized away from combat.It is not terrible.  It is competent and still better than many other martials.</blockquote>

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