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<blockquote data-quote="hastur_nz" data-source="post: 7096954" data-attributes="member: 40592">I agree with those who disagree with OP...I have nothing to contribute to the debate of the mechanical aspects, as those are covered above and details will vary depending on the DM, campaign, the players, etc.&nbsp; But I can definitely say that in my experience of actually playing 5e with friends around a table, as a DM from the very beginning who has almost always had a Fighter in the group as well as other &quot;martial&quot; classes, and as a player (currently playing a Fighter, Eldritch Knight FWIW but we also have a different Fighter as well as a Paladin)... The Fighter stacks up VERY well in 5e, with or without &quot;min-max&quot; type players.&nbsp; We have always started our campaigns at 1st level, and have run to 20th in one and to around 10th in many others.&nbsp; The Fighter has never felt under-powered, or shadowed by other classes.&nbsp; That's my experience as someone who chose to play a Fighter from 1st level in &quot;Out of the Abyss&quot;, and also my experience DMing a group of 4-5 players in many campaigns now.In other editions, especially 3.x, that was definitely not the case especially at higher levels Fighters got left behind, but 5e has fixed that problem, and Fighters are fun and valuable party members - some would in fact argue they are over-powered but that really depends on who's running what...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="hastur_nz, post: 7096954, member: 40592"] I agree with those who disagree with OP... I have nothing to contribute to the debate of the mechanical aspects, as those are covered above and details will vary depending on the DM, campaign, the players, etc. But I can definitely say that in my experience of actually playing 5e with friends around a table, as a DM from the very beginning who has almost always had a Fighter in the group as well as other "martial" classes, and as a player (currently playing a Fighter, Eldritch Knight FWIW but we also have a different Fighter as well as a Paladin)... The Fighter stacks up VERY well in 5e, with or without "min-max" type players. We have always started our campaigns at 1st level, and have run to 20th in one and to around 10th in many others. The Fighter has never felt under-powered, or shadowed by other classes. That's my experience as someone who chose to play a Fighter from 1st level in "Out of the Abyss", and also my experience DMing a group of 4-5 players in many campaigns now. In other editions, especially 3.x, that was definitely not the case especially at higher levels Fighters got left behind, but 5e has fixed that problem, and Fighters are fun and valuable party members - some would in fact argue they are over-powered but that really depends on who's running what... [/QUOTE]

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