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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 7098114" data-attributes="member: 6801228">So, I'm curious if the UA fighters change this discussion at all. For example, I'm playing a Half-Orc Samurai with a Greatsword. With my Fighting Spirit resistance and Heavy Armor Master DR (Sage advice said it was resistance then subtract DR) I'm incredibly hard to hurt for 3 turns of a fight. Followed up by second wind. With greatsword and Great Weapon fighting I deal a significant amount of damage, and my Fighting Spirit gives me advantage on about 4 rounds of combat. On out of combat stuff, we don't roll very often (DM accepts good roleplay in a lot of situations dealing with interpersonal stuff) but I don't feel like I lack. Looking at the other UAs, both the Arcane Archer and the Knight also offered something unique, that other classes really can't replicate. However, I have often heard, and am beginning to agree with, the idea that High Level Fighters don't match the fantasy. I'm only level 8 right now, but looking at the future I don't have a lot that isn't just more of what I've been doing. I'll get more attacks, more uses of Action Surge (not more uses of  Second Wind which is odd) more uses of Indomitable,  and there is this place where High Level Fighters should be more mythic in stature. Perhaps a reputation system added in or some sort of crazy semi-magic ability. I don't know, but while the Barbarian gets giant strength and the paladin becomes an angel, the fighter just doesn't hit that mythic mark for me. I will say though, when comparing the classes we need to acknowledge that the fighter generally has higher AC than the Barbarian and Ranger, and higher HP than the Ranger as well. To get the equivalent of Plate Mail the Barbarian needs a +8 between Dex and Con, which is hard to achieve for a class focused entirely on Strength. In general, I find barbarians better off wearing Medium armor and keeping their Dex low, at least until higher levels.Ranger needs Medium Armor master or Heavily armored and high strength to get the same AC as the Fighter. And Honestly, I think Medium Armor Master is almost a must have for rangers anyways. The top of the Pyramid is the Paladin though. I think the Paladin is a more powerful class, not by much, but it is there. That's fine by me, it isn't a big enough gap to worry about for the most part, IMO and IME but it is there. But, one interesting thing is that the fighter is invariably the most versatile warrior class. Dex fighter, Ranged Fighter, GW Fighter, Sword and Board Tank Fighter. All viable. And, it isn't that hard to switch between, in fact, I think that is the greatest strength of the Champion's two style ability, they can switch to a better fit for the fight at hand. Do you think you'll see a viable ranged Paladin or Barbarian? I seriously doubt it. A melee ranger is possible, but they are actually out shined by the Fighter I think and better suited for Ranged combat. It is an understated strength that the class can handle so many different builds without strain, though it does leave them lacking in the particular niches of the others.</blockquote>

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