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<blockquote data-quote="LapBandit" data-source="post: 7098860" data-attributes="member: 6778098">I still dissent.We should have some framework of comparison with the other classes:2nd level, 5th level, 11th level, 17th level would be fair as those are important levels to the Fighter.[table=&quot;width: 500, class: outer_border&quot;][tr]&nbsp; &nbsp; [td]Class/Level[/td]&nbsp; &nbsp; [td]Barbarian[/td]&nbsp; &nbsp; [td]Paladin[/td]&nbsp; &nbsp; [td]Fighter[/td][/tr][tr]&nbsp; &nbsp; [td]2nd[/td]&nbsp; &nbsp; [td]Rage (2 / day), Reckless Attacks, Unarmored Defense, Danger Sense[/td]&nbsp; &nbsp; [td]Divine Sense, Lay On Hands, Fighting Style, Spellcasting, Divine Smite[/td]&nbsp; &nbsp; [td]Fighting Style, Second Wind, Action Surge[/td][/tr][tr]&nbsp; &nbsp; [td]5th level[/td]&nbsp; &nbsp; [td]Rage(3/day), ASI, Extra Attack[/td]&nbsp; &nbsp; [td]Spellcasting, ASI, Extra Attack, Divine Health[/td]&nbsp; &nbsp; [td]ASI, Extra Attack[/td][/tr][tr]&nbsp; &nbsp; [td]11th level[/td]&nbsp; &nbsp; [td]Rage(4/day), Feral Instinct, ASI, Brutal Critical, Relentless Rage[/td]&nbsp; &nbsp; [td]Spellcasting, Aura of Protection, ASI, Aura of Courage, Improved Divine Smite[/td]&nbsp; &nbsp; [td]ASI, Indomitable, Extra Attack[/td][/tr][tr]&nbsp; &nbsp; [td]17th level[/td]&nbsp; &nbsp; [td]Rage(6/day), ASI, Brutal Critical (2), Persistent Rage, ASI, Brutal Critical (3) [/td]&nbsp; &nbsp; [td]Spellcasting, ASI, Cleansing Touch, ASI[/td]&nbsp; &nbsp; [td]ASI, Indomitable(2), ASI, ASI, Action Surge (2), Indomitable (3)[/td][/tr][/table]Do you see how the Barbarian and Paladin both get features (rage, spellcasting, smite, aura, etc) that scale well and often from 1st or 2nd level and the Fighter has staccato much less useful features that scale less often?&nbsp; I'm not sure where anyone can call that fine. Is the fighter not supposed to be the best at what he trained to do? Two ASIs, an Extra Attack, and weak features does not a niche nor power make.Even Mike Mearls, one of the designers bemoans the state they left the Fighter in.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="LapBandit, post: 7098860, member: 6778098"] I still dissent. We should have some framework of comparison with the other classes: 2nd level, 5th level, 11th level, 17th level would be fair as those are important levels to the Fighter. [table="width: 500, class: outer_border"] [tr] [td]Class/Level[/td] [td]Barbarian[/td] [td]Paladin[/td] [td]Fighter[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]2nd[/td] [td]Rage (2 / day), Reckless Attacks, Unarmored Defense, Danger Sense[/td] [td]Divine Sense, Lay On Hands, Fighting Style, Spellcasting, Divine Smite[/td] [td]Fighting Style, Second Wind, Action Surge[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]5th level[/td] [td]Rage(3/day), ASI, Extra Attack[/td] [td]Spellcasting, ASI, Extra Attack, Divine Health[/td] [td]ASI, Extra Attack[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]11th level[/td] [td]Rage(4/day), Feral Instinct, ASI, Brutal Critical, Relentless Rage[/td] [td]Spellcasting, Aura of Protection, ASI, Aura of Courage, Improved Divine Smite[/td] [td]ASI, Indomitable, Extra Attack[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]17th level[/td] [td]Rage(6/day), ASI, Brutal Critical (2), Persistent Rage, ASI, Brutal Critical (3) [/td] [td]Spellcasting, ASI, Cleansing Touch, ASI[/td] [td]ASI, Indomitable(2), ASI, ASI, Action Surge (2), Indomitable (3)[/td] [/tr] [/table] Do you see how the Barbarian and Paladin both get features (rage, spellcasting, smite, aura, etc) that scale well and often from 1st or 2nd level and the Fighter has staccato much less useful features that scale less often? I'm not sure where anyone can call that fine. [B][I]Is the fighter not supposed to be the best at what he trained to do? [/I][/B] Two ASIs, an Extra Attack, and weak features does not a niche nor power make. Even [B][I]Mike Mearls, one of the designers[/I][/B] bemoans the state they left the Fighter in. [/QUOTE]

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