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<blockquote data-quote="Quickleaf" data-source="post: 7100139" data-attributes="member: 20323">I actually think&nbsp; &nbsp; [MENTION=37579]Jester David[/MENTION] proposed a really nice solution – something I'd be excited to see in a reworked fighter class (akin to what they've done for the ranger):Introduce two decision points into the fighter. The first (not a sub-class) is about going complex (e.g. using maneuvers akin to a Battle Master) or simple (e.g. static bonuses akin to Champion). The second choice (sub-class) is about the narrative, leaning more on exploration/interaction with narrative-reinforcing fighting mechanics. And in so doing, introduce more unique abilities (that other classes don't have &amp; don't eclipse) as part of the sub-classes.And then give the fighter (and the rogue while we're at it), a bunch of subclasses like the cleric &amp; wizard get. On the conceit that the &quot;CORE FOUR&quot; classes are umbrellas for a broader range of character concepts, and thus should have 6-9 subclasses each.To me, that would be really attractive design for the fighter. It would preserve the customization options without short-thrifting the narrative springboard.EDIT: So in my revised PHB model, the &quot;CORE FOUR&quot; and their sub-classes might be...Cleric (8): Death, Knowledge, Life, Light, Nature, Tempest, Trickery, WarFighter (8): Borderlands Guard, Cavalier, Eldritch Knight, Gladiator, Monster Slayer, Veteran, Warlord, ? Rogue (8): Arcane Trickster, Assassin, Mastermind, Swashbuckler, Thief, ?, ?, ?Wizard (8): Abjuration, Conjuration, Divination, Enchantment, Evocation, Necromancy, Transmutation, &quot;Generalist&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Quickleaf, post: 7100139, member: 20323"] I actually think [MENTION=37579]Jester David[/MENTION] proposed a really nice solution – something I'd be excited to see in a reworked fighter class (akin to what they've done for the ranger): Introduce two decision points into the fighter. The first (not a sub-class) is about going complex (e.g. using maneuvers akin to a Battle Master) or simple (e.g. static bonuses akin to Champion). The second choice (sub-class) is about the narrative, leaning more on exploration/interaction with narrative-reinforcing fighting mechanics. And in so doing, introduce more unique abilities (that other classes don't have & don't eclipse) as part of the sub-classes. And then give the fighter (and the rogue while we're at it), a bunch of subclasses like the cleric & wizard get. On the conceit that the "CORE FOUR" classes are umbrellas for a broader range of character concepts, and thus should have 6-9 subclasses each. To me, that would be [I]really[/I] attractive design for the fighter. It would preserve the customization options without short-thrifting the narrative springboard. EDIT: So in my revised PHB model, the "CORE FOUR" and their sub-classes might be... [B]Cleric (8):[/B] Death, Knowledge, Life, Light, Nature, Tempest, Trickery, War [B]Fighter (8):[/B] Borderlands Guard, Cavalier, Eldritch Knight, Gladiator, Monster Slayer, Veteran, Warlord, ? [B]Rogue (8):[/B] Arcane Trickster, Assassin, Mastermind, Swashbuckler, Thief, ?, ?, ? [B]Wizard (8):[/B] Abjuration, Conjuration, Divination, Enchantment, Evocation, Necromancy, Transmutation, "Generalist" [/QUOTE]

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