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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 4265638" data-attributes="member: 22779">The problem that I had with the old Lawful and Chaotic descriptors is that you can apply them to the same action.  A CE demon can be scheming, capable of in depth planning.  So, if that's CE, then what is LE?  Oh, wait, LE is scheming and capable of in depth planning.  Or, put it another way.  The only reason devils obey those above them is because those above them are stronger.  They don't obey out of any loyalty to the system itself.  How is that lawful?  Isn't that definitively Chaotic?So, if there's no functional difference between the two, then one should go away.The difference between LG and Good is fairly easy to see really.  LG societies would be closer to say, feudal societies where you have lots of rules that allow the society to function.  Good societies would be tribal societies, where you can advance through your own personal skills.  Meritocracy societies would not be particularly LG, since it's personal ability that is important, not social standing.Note, in the above example, I'm talking about a benevolent society.  Reverse it though and you get Evil and CE societies.  Evil societies would generally follow the rules, not out of fear of direct punishment necessarily, but out of inertia and a recognition that anarchy serves no one.  CE societies would be ruled by the strongest and only extend as far as the strongest could control.</blockquote>