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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 7434122" data-attributes="member: 7006">You complain and complain and complain and yet you keep playing.Methinks he dost protest too much.And also&nbsp; [MENTION=12731]CapnZapp[/MENTION] let's get real here for a second... this is BY NO MEANS the &quot;final word&quot; on the subject... because you couldn't stop complaining about this on ENWorld even if you wanted to.&nbsp; There is nothing &quot;final&quot; about any of your statements, because you're going to make the same exact points in some other thread tomorrow.&nbsp; And on Monday.&nbsp; And next week.&nbsp; And next year.&nbsp; Because you can't help yourself.You have this platonic ideal in your head for this imaginary game that you and your min-maxing friends can play in every possible combination where every number is equal to every other-- everyone is min-maxed insanely powerfully at high levels and yet the foes are just as powerful so that you as the DM don't have to do any work.&nbsp; Any &quot;balancing factors&quot; that come out of characters that aren't &quot;combat-related&quot; are removed so that every possible archetype is balanced in combat against every other character archetype-- whether or not the archetypes are meant for combat or not.Game doesn't exist.&nbsp; Will never exist.&nbsp; And you know this.&nbsp; And yet can't help continually complaining about it.&nbsp; And thus we respond.&nbsp; Again and again and again.&nbsp; Because quite frankly (at least in my case) it's enjoyable to type out just how ridiculous you always sound with your incessant repetitive babbling about this fantasy fantasy game you keep thinking is out there for you.Like Sisyphus pushing that boulder up the hill... you keep throwing out ideas on how this min-maxed fantasy D&amp;D could come into existance if only WotC would listen... and with each product and UA that comes out, the boulder goes rolling back down the hill.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 7434122, member: 7006"] You complain and complain and complain and yet you keep playing. Methinks he dost protest too much. And also [MENTION=12731]CapnZapp[/MENTION] let's get real here for a second... this is BY NO MEANS the "final word" on the subject... because you couldn't stop complaining about this on ENWorld even if you wanted to. There is nothing "final" about any of your statements, because you're going to make the same exact points in some other thread tomorrow. And on Monday. And next week. And next year. Because you can't help yourself. You have this platonic ideal in your head for this imaginary game that you and your min-maxing friends can play in every possible combination where every number is equal to every other-- everyone is min-maxed insanely powerfully at high levels and yet the foes are just as powerful so that you as the DM don't have to do any work. Any "balancing factors" that come out of characters that aren't "combat-related" are removed so that every possible archetype is balanced in combat against every other character archetype-- whether or not the archetypes are meant for combat or not. Game doesn't exist. Will never exist. And you know this. And yet can't help continually complaining about it. And thus we respond. Again and again and again. Because quite frankly (at least in my case) it's enjoyable to type out just how ridiculous you always sound with your incessant repetitive babbling about this fantasy fantasy game you keep thinking is out there for you. Like Sisyphus pushing that boulder up the hill... you keep throwing out ideas on how this min-maxed fantasy D&D could come into existance if only WotC would listen... and with each product and UA that comes out, the boulder goes rolling back down the hill. [/QUOTE]

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