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<blockquote data-quote="hawkeyefan" data-source="post: 7436900" data-attributes="member: 6785785"><p>I don't know if he's actually implemented any of the possible solutions that people have offered to him about the problem. His posts acknowledge that he's heard such solutions, and he often tries to head people off at the pass before they're even brought up in discussion....but I've never read one of his threads where he says "We made this change to account for that problem, and then it caused X to happen...." </p><p></p><p>So, I agree that his desire is not unreasonable. However, his seeming unwillingness to actually try and resolve some of the issues himself I would say borders on the unreasonable. Calling out the designers as having designed something incredibly flawed, but then not being willing to accept anyone else's solutions also seems a bit unreasonable....a bit paradoxical. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>They are an issue with a mismatch of what a group expects of play and what the rules deliver. The game plays a part, yes....but if they played a game where combat was a rare thing, then they would not find the rules to be such a big issue. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That first sentence....whoo, no idea what you're saying. </p><p></p><p>I know that I probably come off a bit confrontational with him when I discuss this topic, but I think that's largely because he sets that tone. His posts are confrontational. But, I try to offer him advise that I think will help rather than simply telling him that his desire is wrong or bad. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>But if his group was not so beholden to DPR, then the Fighter would be free to take any number of other background and feat options that would allow him to contribute in ways other than DPR. </p><p></p><p>I mean, it's pretty simple logic right there. </p><p></p><p>As for the Sharpshooter/Robin Hood archetype....do you need the Sharpshooter feat to emulate Robin Hood? Yes, it's fitting....but woudln't just a Ranger or Fighter with the Archery Style be enough to get that vibe if the SS Feat didn't exist? This is my point about the -5/+10 feats....they're just unimaginative and exist solely to appeal to the DPR-is-all folks. They are not necessary to come up with any archetypal character. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Now you're just being silly. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hawkeyefan, post: 7436900, member: 6785785"] I don't know if he's actually implemented any of the possible solutions that people have offered to him about the problem. His posts acknowledge that he's heard such solutions, and he often tries to head people off at the pass before they're even brought up in discussion....but I've never read one of his threads where he says "We made this change to account for that problem, and then it caused X to happen...." So, I agree that his desire is not unreasonable. However, his seeming unwillingness to actually try and resolve some of the issues himself I would say borders on the unreasonable. Calling out the designers as having designed something incredibly flawed, but then not being willing to accept anyone else's solutions also seems a bit unreasonable....a bit paradoxical. They are an issue with a mismatch of what a group expects of play and what the rules deliver. The game plays a part, yes....but if they played a game where combat was a rare thing, then they would not find the rules to be such a big issue. That first sentence....whoo, no idea what you're saying. I know that I probably come off a bit confrontational with him when I discuss this topic, but I think that's largely because he sets that tone. His posts are confrontational. But, I try to offer him advise that I think will help rather than simply telling him that his desire is wrong or bad. But if his group was not so beholden to DPR, then the Fighter would be free to take any number of other background and feat options that would allow him to contribute in ways other than DPR. I mean, it's pretty simple logic right there. As for the Sharpshooter/Robin Hood archetype....do you need the Sharpshooter feat to emulate Robin Hood? Yes, it's fitting....but woudln't just a Ranger or Fighter with the Archery Style be enough to get that vibe if the SS Feat didn't exist? This is my point about the -5/+10 feats....they're just unimaginative and exist solely to appeal to the DPR-is-all folks. They are not necessary to come up with any archetypal character. Now you're just being silly. :p [/QUOTE]
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