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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 9651647" data-attributes="member: 2525"><p>You mistook my saying you stated falsehoods with my calling you a liar. I don't think you're a liar. I think you believe falsehoods because of the extreme bias I mentioned which you have in favor of Williams. Which I found ironic given your essay on Revisionist History, and your unwillingness to address my challenge to you to reexamine your impression of her and not only look at her relative to Gygax.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You didn't defend 90% of what you wrote. I'll demonstrate. The very first point I make, the example I give of you stating a falsehood, was this:</p><p></p><p>"For example, you state the only person surprised by Gary's ouster is Gary. However, we can all hear directly from many people there at the time they were all surprised. We know this. We're certain. There is no doubt at all in their own words many people were shocked at how it happened and that it happened. Rose Estes for example talks about how shocking it was."</p><p></p><p>Your response to that was crickets. Because you know darn well the podcast proves without any shadow of a doubt your statement was false. You knew Rose Estes is on that podcast describing just how shocked she was about what happened. How shocked everyone at the company was, except that small cadre who had pulled off the dethroning.</p><p></p><p>Did you think nobody would notice just how many points you had ignored and your total lack of responsibility for what you had said?</p><p></p><p>I'm happy to go back down the list of what I said that you had no response to. But let's just start with the first accusation I made shall we.</p><p></p><p>How about we not instead do what you just tried to do, and we not cherry pick the one point you thought "see above" would be sufficient for, knowing people would have to do homework to even know what you're referencing (homework which isn't actually the links you included - being the court case transcript, which people would have to dig deeper to even find). No, let's go through all of the points made instead of that cherry picking so you can feel like you could get away with hand waiving the entire thing.</p><p></p><p>And maybe try and do it without all the self-righteous grandstanding. You lost the higher ground the moment you called out my post nastily without responding to me directly, or in the thread in question, and simply linking to my post in a manner you knew wouldn't alert me with a notice. You're not new here and you knew what you were doing, so don't now pretend to be the victim. You started this call-out, not me. All I did was reply to the podcast thread with my views like everyone else (and with views that are pretty well supported and shared) and you made it into something nasty and personal for some reason.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 9651647, member: 2525"] You mistook my saying you stated falsehoods with my calling you a liar. I don't think you're a liar. I think you believe falsehoods because of the extreme bias I mentioned which you have in favor of Williams. Which I found ironic given your essay on Revisionist History, and your unwillingness to address my challenge to you to reexamine your impression of her and not only look at her relative to Gygax. You didn't defend 90% of what you wrote. I'll demonstrate. The very first point I make, the example I give of you stating a falsehood, was this: "For example, you state the only person surprised by Gary's ouster is Gary. However, we can all hear directly from many people there at the time they were all surprised. We know this. We're certain. There is no doubt at all in their own words many people were shocked at how it happened and that it happened. Rose Estes for example talks about how shocking it was." Your response to that was crickets. Because you know darn well the podcast proves without any shadow of a doubt your statement was false. You knew Rose Estes is on that podcast describing just how shocked she was about what happened. How shocked everyone at the company was, except that small cadre who had pulled off the dethroning. Did you think nobody would notice just how many points you had ignored and your total lack of responsibility for what you had said? I'm happy to go back down the list of what I said that you had no response to. But let's just start with the first accusation I made shall we. How about we not instead do what you just tried to do, and we not cherry pick the one point you thought "see above" would be sufficient for, knowing people would have to do homework to even know what you're referencing (homework which isn't actually the links you included - being the court case transcript, which people would have to dig deeper to even find). No, let's go through all of the points made instead of that cherry picking so you can feel like you could get away with hand waiving the entire thing. And maybe try and do it without all the self-righteous grandstanding. You lost the higher ground the moment you called out my post nastily without responding to me directly, or in the thread in question, and simply linking to my post in a manner you knew wouldn't alert me with a notice. You're not new here and you knew what you were doing, so don't now pretend to be the victim. You started this call-out, not me. All I did was reply to the podcast thread with my views like everyone else (and with views that are pretty well supported and shared) and you made it into something nasty and personal for some reason. [/QUOTE]
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