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<blockquote data-quote="Snarf Zagyg" data-source="post: 9651657" data-attributes="member: 7023840"><p>[USER=2525]@Mistwell[/USER]</p><p></p><p>There appears to be an absence of any reference to the well-researched book I stated that I was primarily relying on. There is also a complete absence to any citations to the trial court record that you appeared to be making statements about when you posted. I am sadly not surprised.</p><p></p><p>I will make the following last two points:</p><p></p><p>1. You now appear focused on the following single sentence in the <em>entire essay </em>that I wrote. For everyone's benefit, these are the sentences surrounding the new most important issue showing I am a serial prevaricator:</p><p><em>I am not going into all the financial issues <u>or the final board meetings</u> (again, read the book!). I am just going to say this- <u>the only person surprised by Gygax's ouster was Gygax. If Gygax had not been ousted, the company would have failed</u>. </em></p><p></p><p>Now, if you want to think that I am a lying liar because someone, somewhere, had been surprised by his ouster ... you are correct! For example, I was surprised at the time, as were MANY MANY PEOPLE! I covered that at the beginning of the essay. But as you correctly note, I did listen to the podcast, and I read the books, and I do know about these things ... so maybe it is possible that I was referring to the events of the ouster? I'm guessing you still haven't read the book (or at least you refuse to acknowledge or cite to it) but luckily there is an abridged version of the incident on-line:</p><p>[MEDIA=medium]3a29d07f6836[/MEDIA]</p><p></p><p>Here's a pull quote:</p><p><em>After a short discussion, the board approved the motion to appoint Lorraine Williams President and CEO, overriding Gygax’s strenuous objections. But Gygax probably would not have bothered to contest this appointment had he understood the true situation. Unbeknownst to him, everyone else in the room was privy to a critical piece of information that he lacked.</em></p><p></p><p>I think that saying that Gygax was only person surprised at the final board meetings by his ouster (and, as detailed in the podcasts, that his approach was truly hubristic in the classical sense) is a fair characterization.</p><p></p><p>Again, I suggest people look at histories being done by credible people using source materials that can be independently verified - and not rhetoric - and make up their own minds.</p><p></p><p>2. Given that you refuse to cite sources while arguing facts that contradict what I have seen, and continue to move the goalposts after I requested citations, I think we are good. I have no wish to engage in any acrimony, and it is clear that you do not have the desire to provide sources that would expand my knowledge of the history of the game.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Snarf Zagyg, post: 9651657, member: 7023840"] [USER=2525]@Mistwell[/USER] There appears to be an absence of any reference to the well-researched book I stated that I was primarily relying on. There is also a complete absence to any citations to the trial court record that you appeared to be making statements about when you posted. I am sadly not surprised. I will make the following last two points: 1. You now appear focused on the following single sentence in the [I]entire essay [/I]that I wrote. For everyone's benefit, these are the sentences surrounding the new most important issue showing I am a serial prevaricator: [I]I am not going into all the financial issues [U]or the final board meetings[/U] (again, read the book!). I am just going to say this- [U]the only person surprised by Gygax's ouster was Gygax. If Gygax had not been ousted, the company would have failed[/U]. [/I] Now, if you want to think that I am a lying liar because someone, somewhere, had been surprised by his ouster ... you are correct! For example, I was surprised at the time, as were MANY MANY PEOPLE! I covered that at the beginning of the essay. But as you correctly note, I did listen to the podcast, and I read the books, and I do know about these things ... so maybe it is possible that I was referring to the events of the ouster? I'm guessing you still haven't read the book (or at least you refuse to acknowledge or cite to it) but luckily there is an abridged version of the incident on-line: [MEDIA=medium]3a29d07f6836[/MEDIA] Here's a pull quote: [I]After a short discussion, the board approved the motion to appoint Lorraine Williams President and CEO, overriding Gygax’s strenuous objections. But Gygax probably would not have bothered to contest this appointment had he understood the true situation. Unbeknownst to him, everyone else in the room was privy to a critical piece of information that he lacked.[/I] I think that saying that Gygax was only person surprised at the final board meetings by his ouster (and, as detailed in the podcasts, that his approach was truly hubristic in the classical sense) is a fair characterization. Again, I suggest people look at histories being done by credible people using source materials that can be independently verified - and not rhetoric - and make up their own minds. 2. Given that you refuse to cite sources while arguing facts that contradict what I have seen, and continue to move the goalposts after I requested citations, I think we are good. I have no wish to engage in any acrimony, and it is clear that you do not have the desire to provide sources that would expand my knowledge of the history of the game. [/QUOTE]
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