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<blockquote data-quote="Dagredhel" data-source="post: 137636" data-attributes="member: 3421">I appreciate the compliment, but I have to disagree with the points made.&nbsp; I think comparing fighter bonus feats to the forester's bonus feats is a case of comparing apples to oranges.&nbsp; The lists are completely distinct from one another.&nbsp; The fighter gets combat feats, the forester wilderness feats, and just because they get the same number, the game effect in terms of character's power level isn't necessarily equivalent.&nbsp; As to never giving the same or more skill points to a class than the rogue receives, I think this ignores the slew of special abilities the rogue receives.&nbsp; So long as a new class doesn't have class features that are superior to the rogue's Sneak Attack, Uncanny Dodge, Evasion, and etc., I see no reason why it shouldn't have comparable skill progression.&nbsp; The rogue gets quite a few good abilities apart from skills, and I think the real challenge is creating a skill-heavy class that is comparable.I gave the forester d8 hit dice and good Fort and Reflex saves partially to compensate for the fact that the class doesn't have anywhere near the defensive&nbsp; capability of the rogue.&nbsp; However, I can see how someone might be uncomfortable with a class that has these features and the rogue's skill progression as well.&nbsp; Perhaps an edit is in order, but not, I think, because I violated a general principle.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dagredhel, post: 137636, member: 3421"] I appreciate the compliment, but I have to disagree with the points made. I think comparing fighter bonus feats to the forester's bonus feats is a case of comparing apples to oranges. The lists are completely distinct from one another. The fighter gets combat feats, the forester wilderness feats, and just because they get the same number, the game effect in terms of character's power level isn't necessarily equivalent. As to never giving the same or more skill points to a class than the rogue receives, I think this ignores the slew of special abilities the rogue receives. So long as a new class doesn't have class features that are superior to the rogue's Sneak Attack, Uncanny Dodge, Evasion, and etc., I see no reason why it shouldn't have comparable skill progression. The rogue gets quite a few good abilities apart from skills, and I think the real challenge is creating a skill-heavy class that is comparable. I gave the forester d8 hit dice and good Fort and Reflex saves partially to compensate for the fact that the class doesn't have anywhere near the defensive capability of the rogue. However, I can see how someone might be uncomfortable with a class that has these features and the rogue's skill progression as well. Perhaps an edit is in order, but not, I think, because I violated a general principle. [/QUOTE]

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