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<blockquote data-quote="Khaalis" data-source="post: 1634964" data-attributes="member: 2167">I will read over these as soon as I get a chance but I wanted to make a quick reply.The more I think about it you may need something a bit more quantitative, such as a specific list of creatures aloowed per level?The Pixie is the perfect example. It is 1HD, 4-5CR, but most of its CR comes from abilies the Form Mage cant get.Gains: Small Size, Fly 60', Initiative +4, AC 16 (Dex 18, but drops to Str 7 and Con 11)Doesnt Gain: Greater Invisibility, Spell-Like Abilities nor Special Arrows (even though they are an Exceptional ability, they arent part of the form)Hmm...definately not a 4th or 5th level form...If you do this, I would allow them to actually become the creature. A Sprite for example burning 4CR points for NOT gaining its special abilities - makes it basically worthless.I will have to sit and look at the Psi power and how it works as well as some other sources. I will try to do this over the weekend as I get some free time.Shifter classes are very hard to work with. I'll see what I can think of.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Khaalis, post: 1634964, member: 2167"] I will read over these as soon as I get a chance but I wanted to make a quick reply. The more I think about it you may need something a bit more quantitative, such as a specific list of creatures aloowed per level? The Pixie is the perfect example. It is 1HD, 4-5CR, but most of its CR comes from abilies the Form Mage cant get. [b]Gains:[/b] Small Size, Fly 60', Initiative +4, AC 16 (Dex 18, but drops to Str 7 and Con 11) [b]Doesnt Gain:[/b] Greater Invisibility, Spell-Like Abilities nor Special Arrows (even though they are an Exceptional ability, they arent part of the form) Hmm...definately not a 4th or 5th level form... If you do this, I would allow them to actually become the creature. A Sprite for example burning 4CR points for NOT gaining its special abilities - makes it basically worthless. I will have to sit and look at the Psi power and how it works as well as some other sources. I will try to do this over the weekend as I get some free time. Shifter classes are very hard to work with. I'll see what I can think of. [/QUOTE]

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