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<blockquote data-quote="Asatru009" data-source="post: 6375397" data-attributes="member: 6777841">This is my argument against excessive minimalism regarding page count bloat. I say unto thee, do not break user space.&nbsp; It is not bloat when it makes the life of the user more efficient.&nbsp; When it takes more than say, 10 seconds to find out what a spell or effect does, that is when table troubles arise.&nbsp; Now granted it would be bloat if they added 15 pages of spell tables on top of the name-school-page number bit.&nbsp; If you have the 2E PHB all the tables (spell and nonspell) total 13 pages.&nbsp; They get divided into schools for wizards and spheres for priests so 4 pages there.&nbsp; After that you have an alphabetized list with the spell being a wizard or priest spell, what level the spell is and what page it is found on, which is another 4 pages.Now I'll grant you that those 8 pages could theoretically not be needed but it is a trivial addition for the sake of page count, yet it would add lots of usability to the spells.&nbsp; As for the mechanical information that is needed is there any logical reason to bury mechanically needed info in the spell descriptions vs having them be their own thing under the spell name?&nbsp; I do not believe so.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Asatru009, post: 6375397, member: 6777841"] This is my argument against excessive minimalism regarding page count bloat. I say unto thee, do not break user space. It is not bloat when it makes the life of the user more efficient. When it takes more than say, 10 seconds to find out what a spell or effect does, that is when table troubles arise. Now granted it would be bloat if they added 15 pages of spell tables on top of the name-school-page number bit. If you have the 2E PHB all the tables (spell and nonspell) total 13 pages. They get divided into schools for wizards and spheres for priests so 4 pages there. After that you have an alphabetized list with the spell being a wizard or priest spell, what level the spell is and what page it is found on, which is another 4 pages. Now I'll grant you that those 8 pages could theoretically not be needed but it is a trivial addition for the sake of page count, yet it would add lots of usability to the spells. As for the mechanical information that is needed is there any logical reason to bury mechanically needed info in the spell descriptions vs having them be their own thing under the spell name? I do not believe so. [/QUOTE]

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