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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 4390608" data-attributes="member: 2011">The table in the DMG gets a +5 to DC for skills.So, the modified table for first level is 5/10/15 at level one for something which is not a skill and 10/15/20 for something that is a skill. That makes your number here semi-reasonable if used for skills at level 1.However, one cannot just add 15 due to half level to get the level 30 numbers. Your table here and the revised table are not well balanced (nor is the original table).At level 30, a PC with 26 ability score and skill training would be at +28. He needs a 5 to succeed here on a hard task without any magic or powers or feats assisting (the table in the DMG gets a +5 to DC for skills, so the revised table he would need a 10).Ability scores can increase by +4 (or even +5 with Demigod) by level 28. This is not just primary ability, but one secondary ability as well (or split amongst multiple secondaries).Magic items (e.g. Elven Cloak +6) and power synergies can add even more. Skill Focus can add +3.On the other hand, PCs who do not get certain feats, magic items, or take certain ability score boosts will only have +16 (+15 level and +1 ability score boost).But, the absolute minimum gain by level 30 is +16 over level 1. So, +15 is too small.And, it should be increased more for moderate DCs and hard DCs due to the fact that the PCs attempting those will have other bonuses (such as more ability score, +3 Skill Focus, +6 Elven Cloaks, powers, etc.). Sure, this puts hard tasks and some moderate tasks out of the reach of other PCs at level 30. But, that's ok since that is not the schtick of those other PCs. They ignored those feats, powers, ability score boosts, and magic items for those 29 levels, so they cannot do it. That's ok.</blockquote>

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