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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GwydapLlew" data-source="post: 3201615" data-attributes="member: 40373">I don't see defending someone from harm as associating. By your logic, if someone attempted to kill a criminal that my paladin had in his charge (let's say that said criminal is being brought to justice) then my paladin is associating with the criminal when he tries to keep him alive. I think there is a certain element of ambiguity to the paladin's code that allows for these sort of situations. My view of paladin orders are similar to the knightly orders of Medieval Europe - they were affiiliated with the church, but they had their own codes, leadership, and hierarchy. Seeing as that is one of the strongest influences on the paladin class, it makes sense to me. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />To use another example: the paladin is general of the king's armies. The king's spymaster is attacked by an assassin. The paladin knows the spymaster is evil, but also knows that the spymaster serves the paladin's lord and is integral to the defense of the realm. If the paladin rescues the spymaster, is he then stripped of his powers? I think not.Have you read the Ruby Vindicator PrC? It states that one of the the easiest ways to enter it is by being a multiclassed paladin of Wee Jas. There was also (IIRC) an article in Dragon magazine about paladin orders of the Oeridian religions, and Wee Jas was listed as one of them. Both of these are official products; saying that the designers overlooked a slight incompatibility when both of these rules were created specifically to address what you see as an incompatibility strikes me as a bit silly.</blockquote>

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