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<blockquote data-quote="squibbles" data-source="post: 8411994" data-attributes="member: 6937590"><p>Also, regarding the samurai sub-tangent from which the shaman sub-sub-tangent branched--<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samurai#Terminology" target="_blank">more Wikipedia</a>:</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 40px">In Japanese, they are usually referred to as <em><strong>bushi</strong></em> (武士, [bɯ.ɕi]), meaning 'warrior', or <em><strong>buke</strong></em> (武家), meaning 'military family'. According to translator William Scott Wilson: "In Chinese, the character 侍 was originally a verb meaning 'to wait upon', 'accompany persons' in the upper ranks of society, and this is also true of the original term in Japanese, <em>saburau</em>. In both countries the terms were nominalized to mean 'those who serve in close attendance to the nobility', the Japanese term <em>saburai</em> being the nominal form of the verb."</p><p></p><p>So, it's worth keeping in mind that, while there is a vast amount of culture packed into the term, samurai are <em>straightforwardly </em>warriors who are attached to an important person's retinue.</p><p></p><p>I don't think the subclass is remotely needed, or even a good addition to the game, but it also doesn't do that much violence to what samurai basically are.</p><p></p><p>Expecting more cultural specificity to be in the subclass is, on one hand, kind of wierd--why demand that the warrior tradition of one nation be represented in ethnographically authentic whole, when no other nations' are--but, on the other hand, kind of necessary. After all, why would you name the subclass samurai if you didn't intend to meaningfully represent that specific tradition?</p><p></p><p>There are multiple reasonable points of view here, I think.</p><p></p><p>---edit---</p><p></p><p>Seems like the first point on this tangent was pretty reasonable to begin with:</p><p></p><p>I basically agree with all of that... and probably should have read more than the first 5 and last 5 pages of the thread. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f910.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":censored:" title="Censored :censored:" data-smilie="14"data-shortname=":censored:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="squibbles, post: 8411994, member: 6937590"] Also, regarding the samurai sub-tangent from which the shaman sub-sub-tangent branched--[URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samurai#Terminology']more Wikipedia[/URL]: [INDENT=2]In Japanese, they are usually referred to as [I][B]bushi[/B][/I] (武士, [bɯ.ɕi]), meaning 'warrior', or [I][B]buke[/B][/I] (武家), meaning 'military family'. According to translator William Scott Wilson: "In Chinese, the character 侍 was originally a verb meaning 'to wait upon', 'accompany persons' in the upper ranks of society, and this is also true of the original term in Japanese, [I]saburau[/I]. In both countries the terms were nominalized to mean 'those who serve in close attendance to the nobility', the Japanese term [I]saburai[/I] being the nominal form of the verb."[/INDENT] So, it's worth keeping in mind that, while there is a vast amount of culture packed into the term, samurai are [I]straightforwardly [/I]warriors who are attached to an important person's retinue. I don't think the subclass is remotely needed, or even a good addition to the game, but it also doesn't do that much violence to what samurai basically are. Expecting more cultural specificity to be in the subclass is, on one hand, kind of wierd--why demand that the warrior tradition of one nation be represented in ethnographically authentic whole, when no other nations' are--but, on the other hand, kind of necessary. After all, why would you name the subclass samurai if you didn't intend to meaningfully represent that specific tradition? There are multiple reasonable points of view here, I think. ---edit--- Seems like the first point on this tangent was pretty reasonable to begin with: I basically agree with all of that... and probably should have read more than the first 5 and last 5 pages of the thread. :censored: [/QUOTE]
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