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<blockquote data-quote="Gradine" data-source="post: 8412357" data-attributes="member: 57112"><p>I actually have an answer to this particular bit.</p><p></p><p>When my partner was a college RA, she would host these events called "Dissecting Disney", where she'd gather a bunch of a students, watch a classic Disney flick, and then host a discussion afterward of some of the <a href="https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AccidentalAesop" target="_blank">Accidental</a> Aesops they might teach. For instance, one of our best friends is native, and was in elementary school when <em>Pocahontas </em>came out. The other kids at her school who watched it took to chasing her around the playground singing "Savages! Savages! Barely even human!" which is an actual part of a song from that movie. Sure, it was sung by the bad guys, but those kids clearly missed that particular bit of nuance.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, a student once asked my partner why she hated Disney movies, and she responded "I don't; I love these movies! I can't wait to show them to my children! But also, I want to be prepared to have a conversation with them so they walk away with, for instance, healthy expectations about relationships."</p><p></p><p>She'd probably look back with embarrassment over all that, honestly, but I'll be damned if we haven't watched those films with our daughter and have those conversations, and it's gone quite well.</p><p></p><p>One of my favorite films/plays is Arsenic and Old Lace; for a product of the 40's it remains absolutely an hilarious black comedy. It also has the occasional racist joke, and its handling of mental health is... well, troubling to say the least. Literally every Harrison Ford hero of my childhood had a mild disdain for the concepts of "consent" <em>at the best of times</em> but that doesn't mean I spit upon Indiana Jones or Star Wars or Blade Runner and anyone who claims to still like them.</p><p></p><p>This is something that people, on both sides honestly, often miss. You can be critical of the things you like, and you can still like (even love!) the things you are critical of.</p><p></p><p>Hell, I still love D&D after all this time, and I mean, did you even read <em>Tomb of Annihilation? </em>Woof.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gradine, post: 8412357, member: 57112"] I actually have an answer to this particular bit. When my partner was a college RA, she would host these events called "Dissecting Disney", where she'd gather a bunch of a students, watch a classic Disney flick, and then host a discussion afterward of some of the [URL='https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AccidentalAesop']Accidental[/URL] Aesops they might teach. For instance, one of our best friends is native, and was in elementary school when [I]Pocahontas [/I]came out. The other kids at her school who watched it took to chasing her around the playground singing "Savages! Savages! Barely even human!" which is an actual part of a song from that movie. Sure, it was sung by the bad guys, but those kids clearly missed that particular bit of nuance. Anyway, a student once asked my partner why she hated Disney movies, and she responded "I don't; I love these movies! I can't wait to show them to my children! But also, I want to be prepared to have a conversation with them so they walk away with, for instance, healthy expectations about relationships." She'd probably look back with embarrassment over all that, honestly, but I'll be damned if we haven't watched those films with our daughter and have those conversations, and it's gone quite well. One of my favorite films/plays is Arsenic and Old Lace; for a product of the 40's it remains absolutely an hilarious black comedy. It also has the occasional racist joke, and its handling of mental health is... well, troubling to say the least. Literally every Harrison Ford hero of my childhood had a mild disdain for the concepts of "consent" [I]at the best of times[/I] but that doesn't mean I spit upon Indiana Jones or Star Wars or Blade Runner and anyone who claims to still like them. This is something that people, on both sides honestly, often miss. You can be critical of the things you like, and you can still like (even love!) the things you are critical of. Hell, I still love D&D after all this time, and I mean, did you even read [I]Tomb of Annihilation? [/I]Woof. [/QUOTE]
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