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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dr_Ruminahui" data-source="post: 5606037" data-attributes="member: 81104">AbdulAlhazred, while I agree that the issues you've raised are "issues", in that they are design choices which can be debated as right or wrong, I don't seem them in any way invalidating 4e such that a 5e is required (either in the short term or the long term). Indeed, just because a person might disagree with a particular design decision (such as scaling attack bonuses) doesn't mean that such a design decision dooms 4e.  Indeed, given that other people actively support that design element, it could as easily be argued that a system which "fixes" these issues is just as doomed. Instead, IMHO, the design elements that might eventually require a new edition are likely NOT those that cause the much debated inelligancies with the rules (feat taxes, etc.), but those which lead to 4e failing as a business endeavor.  Because, lets face it, WotC will keep putting out 4e stuff until it either ceases to make a level of profit acceptable to it for 4e material and/or it feels it could make more profit with a new edition.  Or it goes out of business/loses the lisence. So, really, the design elements that I see as possibly dooming 4e are: 1.  Options bloat - the more options you have, the less desire one has for more, especially if one cannot "turn off" options one doesn't want to look at - and can lead to not buying new product specifically because one doesn't want more options to sift through; 2.  Rules complexity - with exception based rules, one can eventually get too many exceptions to the exceptions such as to render play too complicated to be easily enjoyed (a threshold, of course, which differs from person to person - though I personally think that stealth is underutilized due to its rules complexity) 3.  A view of "core" vs. "non-core".  Players/DMs are less likely to options that they see as peripheral to the game unless it matches their particular interest - the phenomenon that causes more PH1s to be sold than PH2s, and PH2s than Psionic Powers.  This is also likely why the shift from the "power" books to the Heroes of the Shadow type books. Now, with DDI, they may be able to reduce the negative effect of some of these, while possibly also increasing it (and indeed, for the same factor - for example, Character Builder makes one more aware of options bloat (as it puts all of the options directly in front of you) but can/could also ease it through how it organises those options.</blockquote>

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