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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8638366" data-attributes="member: 18">I mean, this doesn't really make sense. First off, let's not pretend &quot;intimidate and shame&quot; doesn't mean &quot;bully&quot;. I hope you won't quibble with that.The hypocrite point, yes, that's a rather weak argument, and yeah could be argued to be simply an attempt to get people to shut up. It's not really a rational position.However, both the other points have some validity, whether you're comfortable with it or not, and claiming they're &quot;bullying&quot; (which you are) is itself pretty funny and arguably what you're complaining about - an attempt to shut people up by saying they're just being bullies - which some would see as an attempt to intimidate and shame lol (I laugh but it's absolutely a double-edged sword you're swinging here). Specifically:1) &quot;There are few complainers&quot; - This is a fair point in many situations. It's not &quot;bullying&quot; to point it out. On the flipside, there being few complainers doesn't mean the complainers are wrong. You often see this with changes to the law - very often, a change might have no obvious impact to a layman, but a huge impact to a specialist who understands the consequences. However, that doesn't appear to apply here. Nonetheless, pointing it out is not bullying, but pointing it out doesn't mean you're automatically right. It does however mean that where things are simply a matter of taste/aesthetics, it's not likely to be a major problem.2) &quot;The complaints are unimportant&quot; - This is no more &quot;bullying&quot; than suggesting the complaints are important. It's a discussion of opinions of the relative merits of things. The idea is to argue your case sufficiently persuasively that people are persuaded. People not being persuaded doesn't mean you're wrong, of course.And I think the POV respect/understanding issue is just another double-edged sword. So that could be applied very widely.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8638366, member: 18"] I mean, this doesn't really make sense. First off, let's not pretend "intimidate and shame" doesn't mean "bully". I hope you won't quibble with that. The hypocrite point, yes, that's a rather weak argument, and yeah could be argued to be simply an attempt to get people to shut up. It's not really a rational position. However, both the other points have some validity, whether you're comfortable with it or not, and claiming they're "bullying" (which you are) is itself pretty funny and arguably what you're complaining about - an attempt to shut people up by saying they're just being bullies - which some would see as an attempt to intimidate and shame lol (I laugh but it's absolutely a double-edged sword you're swinging here). Specifically: 1) "There are few complainers" - This is a fair point in many situations. It's not "bullying" to point it out. On the flipside, there being few complainers doesn't mean the complainers are wrong. You often see this with changes to the law - very often, a change might have no obvious impact to a layman, but a huge impact to a specialist who understands the consequences. However, that doesn't appear to apply here. Nonetheless, pointing it out is not bullying, but pointing it out doesn't mean you're automatically right. It does however mean that where things are simply a matter of taste/aesthetics, it's not likely to be a major problem. 2) "The complaints are unimportant" - This is no more "bullying" than suggesting the complaints are important. It's a discussion of opinions of the relative merits of things. The idea is to argue your case sufficiently persuasively that people are persuaded. People not being persuaded doesn't mean you're wrong, of course. And I think the POV respect/understanding issue is just another double-edged sword. So that could be applied very widely. [/QUOTE]

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