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<blockquote data-quote="Benji" data-source="post: 7679695" data-attributes="member: 6793743">If we don't count stuff that I've heard of before, then both izombie &amp; MITHC both count as 'done before' I'd also add that Grimm isn't exactly a new or underused idea (Fables/Once Upon A Time/10th Kingdom). Sleepy Hollow technically re-uses stuff but I'll give you that. It's still as much of a reboot as, say, Sherlock though.On these, thanks for that. I'll check some of these out, I hadn't heard of most of them and I'm desperate to find genre that isn't Crap/Unoriginal, so I'll swallow my words. I would count America Horror Story as a) it's all beginning to be the same story and b) They're more related than a spin-off and that'd count. Having said that, I love the show. I kind of zealously count scream queens as a spin-off as well but I may just be being picky there.I think I may have explained my self badly, because my point was we have to keep pushing to make it better if we want it to engage a mainstream audience beyond a say, five-ten year cycle. In the 1950's maybe 90% of all scifi WAS crap, maybe it took till now for geek to conquer because there's less crap around. I never argued that there was a time it's all been good. There's always an Andromeda/Kingdom Hospital/Gotham.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Benji, post: 7679695, member: 6793743"] If we don't count stuff that I've heard of before, then both izombie & MITHC both count as 'done before' I'd also add that Grimm isn't exactly a new or underused idea (Fables/Once Upon A Time/10th Kingdom). Sleepy Hollow technically re-uses stuff but I'll give you that. It's still as much of a reboot as, say, Sherlock though. On these, thanks for that. I'll check some of these out, I hadn't heard of most of them and I'm desperate to find genre that isn't Crap/Unoriginal, so I'll swallow my words. I would count America Horror Story as a) it's all beginning to be the same story and b) They're more related than a spin-off and that'd count. Having said that, I love the show. I kind of zealously count scream queens as a spin-off as well but I may just be being picky there. I think I may have explained my self badly, because my point was we have to keep pushing to make it better if we want it to engage a mainstream audience beyond a say, five-ten year cycle. In the 1950's maybe 90% of all scifi WAS crap, maybe it took till now for geek to conquer because there's less crap around. I never argued that there was a time it's all been good. There's always an Andromeda/Kingdom Hospital/Gotham. [/QUOTE]

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