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<blockquote data-quote="WizarDru" data-source="post: 180500" data-attributes="member: 151">That's what I was referring to...the fact that despite it's inconsistincies and weaknesses, players came back in droves to a game with classes, levels, and all of the other D&amp;D trappings, even after they abandoned it with the advent of 2e (after having suffered the subsequent loss of faith in 1e).&nbsp; I know, I was one of those who never even played a game of 2e...I was already out the door.&nbsp; I can't think of another game system that's had that kind of mass influx BACK to a game, after such a large exodus.And while I don't question that many (likely even most) players got their start with D&amp;D (more with basic, though), my point was that there were (and in my personal experience ARE) many players who didn't start with D&amp;D.&nbsp; If being first was the only reason that a game was successful, then we'd all be playing 'Empire of the Petal Throne'.&nbsp; It's unfair to charge Magic: The Gathering with being lucky to be there first, for example.&nbsp; I knew within a half-hour of buying it that it would be huge.&nbsp; It comes off sounding like that doubter of Sherlock Holmes ability, who, after hearing one of Holmes deductions explained at length, points out that the observations were all 'obvious' ones...but ones he completely missed.&nbsp; MTG was a revultionary game built on solid mechanics...that's what made it a success.&nbsp; D&amp;D is the same way.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="WizarDru, post: 180500, member: 151"] That's what I was referring to...the fact that despite it's inconsistincies and weaknesses, players came back in droves to a game with classes, levels, and all of the other D&D trappings, even after they abandoned it with the advent of 2e (after having suffered the subsequent loss of faith in 1e). I know, I was one of those who never even played a game of 2e...I was already out the door. I can't think of another game system that's had that kind of mass influx BACK to a game, after such a large exodus. And while I don't question that many (likely even most) players got their start with D&D (more with basic, though), my point was that there were (and in my personal experience ARE) many players who didn't start with D&D. If being first was the only reason that a game was successful, then we'd all be playing 'Empire of the Petal Throne'. It's unfair to charge Magic: The Gathering with being lucky to be there first, for example. I knew within a half-hour of buying it that it would be huge. It comes off sounding like that doubter of Sherlock Holmes ability, who, after hearing one of Holmes deductions explained at length, points out that the observations were all 'obvious' ones...but ones he completely missed. MTG was a revultionary game built on solid mechanics...that's what made it a success. D&D is the same way. [/QUOTE]

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