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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 8871122" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>It's retconning and your own post indicates as much:</p><p></p><p>"The DM describes the greasy feel of the poison and asks for a Constitution saving throw."</p><p></p><p>If the player had been wearing gloves the DM would not have necessarily described the feel of the poison or asked for the Constitution save. That is stating that the character has no gloves on. The player now having learned things about the fiction he might not have learned had he been wearing gloves now asks for a retcon of the situation where they are wearing gloves but also have been informed that there is a contact poison present. </p><p></p><p>It's not incumbent on the GM to retcon unless the player in question can genuinely establish with positive evidence the presence of the gloves. They can do this by rules lawyering (for example if Traveller's Clothing explicitly mention protective gloves) or appeal to their character sheet (something on their character sheet explicitly mentions gloves being worn) or by appeal to prior established fiction ("don't you remember, earlier in the scene I was wearing gloves", or "don't you remember, I said earlier in the campaign I always wore gloves when searching things").</p><p></p><p>Without this positive evidence, the established fiction of no gloves should stand. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The description has been made. The saving throw has been asked for. Now the player wants out of the consequences. I have very little sympathy.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 8871122, member: 4937"] It's retconning and your own post indicates as much: "The DM describes the greasy feel of the poison and asks for a Constitution saving throw." If the player had been wearing gloves the DM would not have necessarily described the feel of the poison or asked for the Constitution save. That is stating that the character has no gloves on. The player now having learned things about the fiction he might not have learned had he been wearing gloves now asks for a retcon of the situation where they are wearing gloves but also have been informed that there is a contact poison present. It's not incumbent on the GM to retcon unless the player in question can genuinely establish with positive evidence the presence of the gloves. They can do this by rules lawyering (for example if Traveller's Clothing explicitly mention protective gloves) or appeal to their character sheet (something on their character sheet explicitly mentions gloves being worn) or by appeal to prior established fiction ("don't you remember, earlier in the scene I was wearing gloves", or "don't you remember, I said earlier in the campaign I always wore gloves when searching things"). Without this positive evidence, the established fiction of no gloves should stand. The description has been made. The saving throw has been asked for. Now the player wants out of the consequences. I have very little sympathy. [/QUOTE]
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