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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 8871648" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>This possibility is something I have assumed from the start. But, again, if the DM then inspects the players character sheet and there is no concrete evidence of gloves to be found anywhere, then the DM's assumption is not wrong. There no evidence to overturn the DMs assumption in that case, and therefore the ruling - whether artfully or in artfully made - stands.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's not hard to list on your equipment the sort of things you wear and employ, nor an unreasonable expectation that if you employ a tool that you'll mention it. If a player had said, "I open the door", it's not unreasonable to imagine that they do that with their hand (gloved or not) and that they do that in the normal way. Would we still be having this argument if, the player responded, "Wait a minute, when I said "I open the door", I meant I tied a 50' rope to the door handle, walked a good 40' away, and hid behind the archway before giving the rope a strong tug."? Because I have had similar sorts of retroactive claims made by players (not often, but still) when no such pattern of play had ever been established.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 8871648, member: 4937"] This possibility is something I have assumed from the start. But, again, if the DM then inspects the players character sheet and there is no concrete evidence of gloves to be found anywhere, then the DM's assumption is not wrong. There no evidence to overturn the DMs assumption in that case, and therefore the ruling - whether artfully or in artfully made - stands. It's not hard to list on your equipment the sort of things you wear and employ, nor an unreasonable expectation that if you employ a tool that you'll mention it. If a player had said, "I open the door", it's not unreasonable to imagine that they do that with their hand (gloved or not) and that they do that in the normal way. Would we still be having this argument if, the player responded, "Wait a minute, when I said "I open the door", I meant I tied a 50' rope to the door handle, walked a good 40' away, and hid behind the archway before giving the rope a strong tug."? Because I have had similar sorts of retroactive claims made by players (not often, but still) when no such pattern of play had ever been established. [/QUOTE]
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