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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 8871982" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>Obviously.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>There is nothing unreasonable about speaking up, though if it were me I'd do it in the form of a question out of respect to the GM. "I'm wearing travelling gear, wouldn't I also be wearing gloves?" I'd at least give the GM the benefit of the doubt and want to hear out his reasoning.</p><p></p><p>And if I thought he was wrong, I wouldn't stop the game to argue it. I'm not going to be that guy that's pulling this sort of stunt in the middle of a convention table in front of strangers, eating up 15 minutes of the session everyone else is paying for. I'd probably shrug and let it pass, or if it really bothered me I'd probably bring it up privately after the session.</p><p></p><p>But I don't think you understood what we really disagree on, because then you go and say this.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I agree. </p><p></p><p>But you have continued here to argue on the absence of evidence. You aren't bring forward any positive evidence. Just because nothing contradicts the possibility that gloves are part of the clothing does not mean that there are gloves. You can't retcon on the basis of the absence of evidence. This is like VAR in soccer. If you want to overturn the referee's call on the field you have to present definitive evidence that the call is wrong. The GM and not the player is wearing the referee hat. The GM's call and not the players call is the one that has authority. The GM is the referee. Everyone that is sitting at the table agreed to that implicitly and explicitly. Arguing with the referee is just poor sportsmanship. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Which the DM has every right to do. The DM has every right to decide by fiat whatever is vague or debatable or unstated or unknown. </p><p></p><p>And if I'm the other player sitting at this table while you are arguing with the GM, I'm really wishing that in addition to filing a review of the GM with the convention, I can file a review of the player and ask that they never again be allowed to waste my time. And if you are a friend pulling that stunt, I'm like, "Just roll the dice and get on with the game.", the same way I feel when parents are yelling at the referee in a soccer game about every single call as if they could do a better job or something. And 90% of the time, the parents are just flat out wrong because the laws of the game aren't that the player who went down harder was the one that committed the foul, which almost every parent seems to think.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 8871982, member: 4937"] Obviously. There is nothing unreasonable about speaking up, though if it were me I'd do it in the form of a question out of respect to the GM. "I'm wearing travelling gear, wouldn't I also be wearing gloves?" I'd at least give the GM the benefit of the doubt and want to hear out his reasoning. And if I thought he was wrong, I wouldn't stop the game to argue it. I'm not going to be that guy that's pulling this sort of stunt in the middle of a convention table in front of strangers, eating up 15 minutes of the session everyone else is paying for. I'd probably shrug and let it pass, or if it really bothered me I'd probably bring it up privately after the session. But I don't think you understood what we really disagree on, because then you go and say this. I agree. But you have continued here to argue on the absence of evidence. You aren't bring forward any positive evidence. Just because nothing contradicts the possibility that gloves are part of the clothing does not mean that there are gloves. You can't retcon on the basis of the absence of evidence. This is like VAR in soccer. If you want to overturn the referee's call on the field you have to present definitive evidence that the call is wrong. The GM and not the player is wearing the referee hat. The GM's call and not the players call is the one that has authority. The GM is the referee. Everyone that is sitting at the table agreed to that implicitly and explicitly. Arguing with the referee is just poor sportsmanship. Which the DM has every right to do. The DM has every right to decide by fiat whatever is vague or debatable or unstated or unknown. And if I'm the other player sitting at this table while you are arguing with the GM, I'm really wishing that in addition to filing a review of the GM with the convention, I can file a review of the player and ask that they never again be allowed to waste my time. And if you are a friend pulling that stunt, I'm like, "Just roll the dice and get on with the game.", the same way I feel when parents are yelling at the referee in a soccer game about every single call as if they could do a better job or something. And 90% of the time, the parents are just flat out wrong because the laws of the game aren't that the player who went down harder was the one that committed the foul, which almost every parent seems to think. [/QUOTE]
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