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<blockquote data-quote="Voadam" data-source="post: 8872066" data-attributes="member: 2209"><p>Explicitly.</p><p></p><p>There is no evidence of whether the character is wearing gloves other than the broad fact of wearing a set of undefined traveler's clothes.</p><p></p><p>Correct, and vice versa. </p><p></p><p>Just because nothing contradicts the possibility that gloves are not a part of the clothing set does not mean that there are no gloves.</p><p></p><p>This is the part you are presenting as fact and I am disagreeing with.</p><p></p><p>The DM took an undeclared player detail and declared it.</p><p></p><p>Different groups can have different boundaries between DM and player roles. Declaring undeclared details about a PC can be but is not normally the DM's job.</p><p></p><p>Making up PC choices and details is not a referee type ruling, it is an editorial one.</p><p></p><p>Another view is the players determine the details of their characters and the DM determines things about the world the players interact with.</p><p></p><p></p><p>My experience is sometimes players will be fine with DMs crossing over into dictating stuff for a player and sometimes they will not. When a player says something reasonable about their character most experiences I have had have been other players supporting them and not chastising them for taking any time to argue.</p><p></p><p>If for instance the player had a character portrait with gloves which nobody else had seen, I think everybody would be on board with it even though the DM had decided differently by fiat based on the unknown.</p><p></p><p> I think it would be the same for a difference of opinion on unstated character details, generally people expect the PC to be the one who can determine those and a DM who crosses over one should generally respect the PC's views of them.</p><p></p><p>The time it has crossed over into fellow PC disapproval in my experience has been after the DM hearing the player's argument and the player then not accepting "I'm ruling this way for now so we can keep going." and the player continuing to argue the point and delaying the action further. Not for initially speaking up about a factor that goes in the player's favor.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Voadam, post: 8872066, member: 2209"] Explicitly. There is no evidence of whether the character is wearing gloves other than the broad fact of wearing a set of undefined traveler's clothes. Correct, and vice versa. Just because nothing contradicts the possibility that gloves are not a part of the clothing set does not mean that there are no gloves. This is the part you are presenting as fact and I am disagreeing with. The DM took an undeclared player detail and declared it. Different groups can have different boundaries between DM and player roles. Declaring undeclared details about a PC can be but is not normally the DM's job. Making up PC choices and details is not a referee type ruling, it is an editorial one. Another view is the players determine the details of their characters and the DM determines things about the world the players interact with. My experience is sometimes players will be fine with DMs crossing over into dictating stuff for a player and sometimes they will not. When a player says something reasonable about their character most experiences I have had have been other players supporting them and not chastising them for taking any time to argue. If for instance the player had a character portrait with gloves which nobody else had seen, I think everybody would be on board with it even though the DM had decided differently by fiat based on the unknown. I think it would be the same for a difference of opinion on unstated character details, generally people expect the PC to be the one who can determine those and a DM who crosses over one should generally respect the PC's views of them. The time it has crossed over into fellow PC disapproval in my experience has been after the DM hearing the player's argument and the player then not accepting "I'm ruling this way for now so we can keep going." and the player continuing to argue the point and delaying the action further. Not for initially speaking up about a factor that goes in the player's favor. [/QUOTE]
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