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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 8872764" data-attributes="member: 4937">I don't know.  Or at the least, I don't have enough information.Very early on I talked about how in practice what I did would depend on the player.  (And not as some have claimed, just how dangerous the poison was.)   Things that I would take into account is whether the player was new to the table/game and as such, maybe being harsh here isn't a best way to ease them into the play.  Likewise, I would take into account whether this player had in the past been scrupulously honest about these sorts of things, for example bringing up unconsidered factors that negatively impacted the resolution out of a sense of fairness and honesty.  Such players I'm likely to give the benefit of the doubt on and give them a compromise plus a bit of a lecture on how to avoid this situation in the future as well as perhaps even an explanation of how traps are handled in my game and why so that they can understand my side of this.  (Long story short, traps are almost always telegraphed in my games to signal "this is an area with traps, make sure you act accordingly".)But if this was a player who had not been honest in the past or this is a player who has been in my game for a while and who should know that if it isn't explicitly on your sheet, you better ask about it first, then likely I'm out of sympathy by this point.I really wonder what would happen if the resolution narration was, "You close your hand on the handle and notice a series of barely imperceptible pits in the back of the handle where your fingers close over it.  Make a Decipher Script skill check."  How many of the people here honestly believe the same sort of player who is frantically trying to find evidence of gloves in the case of poison is also going to be just as certain he is wearing gloves in this case and that he should automatically fail the skill check and really, the group should ignore the clue because he should have made clear he had gloves on at the time?  Because I have had players that scrupulously honest, but they are also not players that ever give me grief and usually they are the ones continually unnecessarily apologizing.</blockquote>

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