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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8873014" data-attributes="member: 93670">I don't believe that I'm misreading anything.[spoiler='"this is very clear'][spoiler]<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The DM gave "sufficient telegraphing".  It doesn't matter if this is a description a failed perception/investigate check or a failed save.  All that matters is that it was "sufficient"<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">↑ The GM has described the environment (5e PHB pg6/181)</li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">"will my gloves protect me?" is a perfectly reasonable question for a player to ask at this point.  The player did not do so however</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">"Despite the DM's sufficient telegraphing" [the Player] touched the chest [with their character].<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The player has described what they want to do(5e PHB 6/181)</li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The next step in the play loop  is to move straight to resolution of the "sufficiently telegraphed" contact poison because the player chose to come into contact with it.  It is too late to ask how much protection the gloves offer because <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/giving-an-ad-d-feel-to-5e.679228/post-8241363" target="_blank">that rule</a> no longer exists in 5e.<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">↑ The GM narrates the results of the adventurer's actions (5e PHB6/181)</li> </ul></li> </ul>A player believing that gloves are protective does not make them so in all situations & the onus is on them to ensure that their character determines if they will help or not before uttering the words "<a href="https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/hold-my-beer/#:~:text=What%20does%20hold%20my%20beer,by%20public%20figures%20or%20companies." target="_blank">hold my beer</a>"[/spoiler][/spoiler]</blockquote>

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