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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mort" data-source="post: 8874360" data-attributes="member: 762">I'm not redefining it, I'm stating under which circumstances counterspell IS an ability check. If you sacrifice a sufficient level spell, you evoid the ability check.But, as stated, counterspelling a spell of higher level than the one the opponent cast requires an ability check (such as if the opponent casts a 5th level spell but I cast counterspell at 3rd level). You add your spellcasting ability modifier. Bards, if they grab counterspell, get to add jack of all trades, abjurers get to add their proficiency bonus. Yes, the 3e mechanic for counterspell was perfect for ensuring it rarely (as far as I saw, never) got used. Whether that's good or bad and whether that's better than 5e which does allow too much counterspell splatting (though it's actually more limited then many realize) is better for another thread.</blockquote>