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<blockquote data-quote="Clint_L" data-source="post: 8876767" data-attributes="member: 7035894"><p>Says <em>you.</em></p><p></p><p>This is absurd. Most folks have no problem but a few are insisting that their imaginary metaphysics of magic must be the way things are. It's ridiculous!</p><p></p><p>Have you ever seen a boxing match, or an MMA fight? Have you never seen two skilled combatants constantly countering each other? This is not a mind-blowing concept. We're all perfectly comfortable with attacks, counter-attacks and so on, but now when it comes to magic, <em>which isn't real and is left with intentionally vague casting times in 5e</em>, suddenly folks are experts in how it <em>has</em> to work, and everyone else is being illogical.</p><p></p><p>It's obnoxious! If it doesn't work for you, <em>that is fine.</em> Why are you trying to insist that your imaginary rules <em>for magic</em> have to apply to everyone else?</p><p></p><p>Oh, and there's an official ruling on this, so RAW is you're wrong. It's your prerogative to ignore RAW, but it is absurd to keep carrying on that everyone who disagrees with you, including WotC, is wrong.</p><p></p><p>Edit: There is a ruling. Most folks seem perfectly content with the ruling and agree that it makes sense. It is fine to disagree with the ruling, but when your disagreement is only rooted in your personal <em>taste</em> for how magic should work, can you not just accept that apparently most folks see it differently? You are allowed to have your subjective opinion, of course you are, but not to insist that your subjective opinion makes everyone else wrong.</p><p></p><p><em>Every single one of these arguments</em> against the WotC ruling amounts to "that's not how magic works in my imagination." They have nothing to do with logic, because clearly your premises are not valid for everyone.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Clint_L, post: 8876767, member: 7035894"] Says [I]you.[/I] This is absurd. Most folks have no problem but a few are insisting that their imaginary metaphysics of magic must be the way things are. It's ridiculous! Have you ever seen a boxing match, or an MMA fight? Have you never seen two skilled combatants constantly countering each other? This is not a mind-blowing concept. We're all perfectly comfortable with attacks, counter-attacks and so on, but now when it comes to magic, [I]which isn't real and is left with intentionally vague casting times in 5e[/I], suddenly folks are experts in how it [I]has[/I] to work, and everyone else is being illogical. It's obnoxious! If it doesn't work for you, [I]that is fine.[/I] Why are you trying to insist that your imaginary rules [I]for magic[/I] have to apply to everyone else? Oh, and there's an official ruling on this, so RAW is you're wrong. It's your prerogative to ignore RAW, but it is absurd to keep carrying on that everyone who disagrees with you, including WotC, is wrong. Edit: There is a ruling. Most folks seem perfectly content with the ruling and agree that it makes sense. It is fine to disagree with the ruling, but when your disagreement is only rooted in your personal [I]taste[/I] for how magic should work, can you not just accept that apparently most folks see it differently? You are allowed to have your subjective opinion, of course you are, but not to insist that your subjective opinion makes everyone else wrong. [I]Every single one of these arguments[/I] against the WotC ruling amounts to "that's not how magic works in my imagination." They have nothing to do with logic, because clearly your premises are not valid for everyone. [/QUOTE]
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