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<blockquote data-quote="hawkeyefan" data-source="post: 8658774" data-attributes="member: 6785785">I feel this is all kind of semantics. I'm not looking to be &quot;technically&quot; right. I'm talking about how things go at the table. While I have no doubt that there are plenty of groups out there where the players simply accept that the GM calls all the shots, I have equally no doubt that there are many tables that wish that was not the case and don't realize it doesn't need to be, and equally no doubt that there are tables that already don't have that paradigm. I think this speaks to a misunderstanding of the role of GM in many games besides D&amp;D and similar games. The GM role is vital in those. And I would say that advocating for only one way to GM as you seem to be doing here....and appealing to the majority as if that actually matters.... is the more closed-minded approach. You said players have two options. Accept the GM's decision or not play. No, that's not what I'm saying. The GM may need to make a ruling. May alter a rule. But they must do so responsibly. They are still subject to the rules and the players in this regard. Yes, responsibility is subjective, that doesn't change that it's the group as a whole that decides how the game will proceed or if it won't. No, I'm kind of talking about that whole middle ground as being the reality. You're the one framing this as either/or, as above.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="hawkeyefan, post: 8658774, member: 6785785"] I feel this is all kind of semantics. I'm not looking to be "technically" right. I'm talking about how things go at the table. While I have no doubt that there are plenty of groups out there where the players simply accept that the GM calls all the shots, I have equally no doubt that there are many tables that wish that was not the case and don't realize it doesn't need to be, and equally no doubt that there are tables that already don't have that paradigm. I think this speaks to a misunderstanding of the role of GM in many games besides D&D and similar games. The GM role is vital in those. And I would say that advocating for only one way to GM as you seem to be doing here....and appealing to the majority as if that actually matters.... is the more closed-minded approach. You said players have two options. Accept the GM's decision or not play. No, that's not what I'm saying. The GM may need to make a ruling. May alter a rule. But they must do so responsibly. They are still subject to the rules and the players in this regard. Yes, responsibility is subjective, that doesn't change that it's the group as a whole that decides how the game will proceed or if it won't. No, I'm kind of talking about that whole middle ground as being the reality. You're the one framing this as either/or, as above. [/QUOTE]

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