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Message: <blockquote data-quote="overgeeked" data-source="post: 8661242" data-attributes="member: 86653">When people dismiss criticism out of hand and accuse those criticizing of not having read, understood, played, or run these games it seems appropriate to say otherwise.Ah. So when I agree with you, you’ll stop questioning my credentials. That’s nice.News to me. They can’t walk away? They can’t retreat? They can’t surrender? They can’t relent? Any of which could resolve a conflict.You’re intentionally misreading what I said. So what happens in a PbtA game when a PC does something not covered by a move? Either nothing mechanical or the referee makes it up. So, the mechanics only engage when the PCs do something on the curated list of moves. And yes, some of them are generic. Otherwise it’s free play, as I said before. But, importantly, there are times the referee can just make a move, like when the game stalls or the players look to the referee to see what happens next, etc.So, again, a player makes a move and fails. The referee gets to make a move as a result. That move should either come from the fiction or introduce something new to the fiction. Great. And that referee move…if it’s a sequence of events, rather than a singular event…removes the players’ agency to respond.And again, hard framing removes player agency because it’s the referee making a series of choices for the player that they might not have made.Lucky you.</blockquote>