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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nail" data-source="post: 4258054" data-attributes="member: 224">Exactly.In the last advanture I played as a Player in 3.xe, my PC (Clr 18 or so) took out the Githyanki Lich Queen Wiz 25.......three different times, often before my other party members could even react.Punching above your weight was common-place (yawn) in 3.xe.  Check out the Optimization Boards. I don't find it surprising that you can do the same in 4e.  ....In fact, I'm looking forward to it. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />However: Since the DM controls what monsters are where, a low level PC capping a super-high-level minions doesn't really fall into that category.  YMMV, I suppose.</blockquote>