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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Skyscraper" data-source="post: 4258414" data-attributes="member: 48518">You got me wrong. I didn't say the fighter tried all the time. I said he'd like to try all the time, but can't. He can't position himself right to even start the move.In your example above, he wouldn't provoke an AoO because he'll not initiate the move to try to push the baddy at the outset.So the way i see things, assuming that pushing someone is a daily ability, the fighter simply won't initiate a push if the daily is not available because he just can't get into position to do it.As an aside, i hope simple manoeuvers like pushing are doable by anyone and are not daily abilities (i've read something on that but can't remember...). But even if they're not i can live with it. (And no, i'm not a 4E fanboy that supports it whatever it's flaws.) I've done some foam-weapon combat and trying to physically reach someone without being pelted with numerous weapon strokes is pretty darn hard. I admit that i'm far from a weapon-combat reference, but my point is that i can see that trying to push an armed opponent is not an easy feat to pull off and although the Good Guys (TM) always manage it in Hollywood movies, i can see that it's not because someone is standing in front of a pit that you'll get an opportunity to push him in.Sky</blockquote>