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<blockquote data-quote="ktkenshinx" data-source="post: 6705888" data-attributes="member: 6785159"><p>I disagree with this, but would be happy to see the discussion in the other thread. It seems pretty clear to me that grappling breaks Sanctuary. </p><p></p><p>Sanctuary is broken "If the warded creature makes an attack". Grapple is defined as "a special melee attack", and is even listed under the "Melee Attacks" section of the Combat chapter. It even says "If you're able to make multiple attacks with the Attack action, <strong>this attack</strong> replaces one of them" (emphasis added).</p><p></p><p>If Sanctuary broken when "the warded creatures makes an attack <em>roll</em>", then I would agree that grapple doesn't break it. But it just says "attack", and by two definitions grapple appears to be considered an "attack". So unless I'm missing something, I don't see how these two interact like others think they do. </p><p></p><p>That's right. Got the check/attack roll part backwards. It's unclear if the attacker (the one doing the disarm) has disadvantage or they have neither disadvantage nor advantage. If the defender is prone, then the attacker would normally get advantage on all attack rolls made against them. Therefore, the disadvantage from two hands would be cancelled out by the advantage of attacking a prone target. Then again, are you attacking the target or are you attacking the sword itself, which isn't prone in its own right. How would other people rule this? For reference, prone states "An attack roll against the creature has advantage if the attacker is within 5 feet of he creature." Is the attack roll in Disarm "made against" the creature?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ktkenshinx, post: 6705888, member: 6785159"] I disagree with this, but would be happy to see the discussion in the other thread. It seems pretty clear to me that grappling breaks Sanctuary. Sanctuary is broken "If the warded creature makes an attack". Grapple is defined as "a special melee attack", and is even listed under the "Melee Attacks" section of the Combat chapter. It even says "If you're able to make multiple attacks with the Attack action, [B]this attack[/B] replaces one of them" (emphasis added). If Sanctuary broken when "the warded creatures makes an attack [I]roll[/I]", then I would agree that grapple doesn't break it. But it just says "attack", and by two definitions grapple appears to be considered an "attack". So unless I'm missing something, I don't see how these two interact like others think they do. That's right. Got the check/attack roll part backwards. It's unclear if the attacker (the one doing the disarm) has disadvantage or they have neither disadvantage nor advantage. If the defender is prone, then the attacker would normally get advantage on all attack rolls made against them. Therefore, the disadvantage from two hands would be cancelled out by the advantage of attacking a prone target. Then again, are you attacking the target or are you attacking the sword itself, which isn't prone in its own right. How would other people rule this? For reference, prone states "An attack roll against the creature has advantage if the attacker is within 5 feet of he creature." Is the attack roll in Disarm "made against" the creature? [/QUOTE]
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