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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Arandomperson" data-source="post: 6839203" data-attributes="member: 6804174">Well yeah but silence would have to be cast by a party member because it is only available for bards and clerics. For example if you want to do the Fighter/Wiz/Rogue build you can definitely switch wizard for bard but you would lose so many good spells at 1st and 2nd level. Shield(Amazing on a front line tanky goliath), Absorb Elements, Jump and Enlarge.Altho now that I think about it you could go Bard 3 and Wiz 1 or 2(for portent which can be coupled with cutting word for never failing a grapple/shove/maneuver) since bard gives you expertise anyway and I think this gives you more options than rogue 1/2 wiz 3-The only things you lose are sneak attack which doesnt work with unarmed strikes anyway and some lvl 2 wizard spells but you only wanted enlarge anyway and you can use a potion for that.-You gain all those sweet bard features and the ability to help you team even more while you are holding 2 dudes on the ground with nice verbal only spells.</blockquote>