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<blockquote data-quote="Goken100" data-source="post: 6865592" data-attributes="member: 42968">Agreed concerning wands - tricky to use as an improvised weapon at best (I'd probably allow 1 damage). To be clear, the previous implements I was talking about were all staff implements, not wands. While 100% of staff implements can be used as a quarterstaff per the rules, only around 75% function as magic weapons. This means that 25% of magic staff implements, some of them quite potent, are designed to function as non-magical quarterstaffs. And if the inherent magic of a Staff of Fire doesn't make it a magical weapon, most would agree that armor is even less likely to function that way.&nbsp;Can you provide a link?Explanatory rules are generally only needed when there is the possibility of doubt. There is no doubt that a magic weapon functions as a magic weapon. To include such a note would be redundant, wasteful, and confusing. With magic implements, armor, and music boxes there is less certainty.I will say that I personnally love the idea of using a shield as an improvised weapon, and do so with my grappling characters. The DM certainly has the ability to rule that a magic shield functions as a magic weapon for a wielder with Tavern Brawler. If a DM ruled as such for one of my characters, I would happily bash away with nary a complaint. It is my opinion that the weight of evidence is against this being the most consistent ruling, and that you are unlikely to benefit from such a ruling in an organized play environment such as Adventurers' League. That said, some DMs will be generous and roll with it. But expect table variation.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Goken100, post: 6865592, member: 42968"] Agreed concerning wands - tricky to use as an improvised weapon at best (I'd probably allow 1 damage). To be clear, the previous implements I was talking about were all staff implements, not wands. While 100% of staff implements can be used as a quarterstaff per the rules, only around 75% function as magic weapons. This means that 25% of magic staff implements, some of them quite potent, are designed to function as non-magical quarterstaffs. And if the inherent magic of a Staff of Fire doesn't make it a magical weapon, most would agree that armor is even less likely to function that way. Can you provide a link? Explanatory rules are generally only needed when there is the possibility of doubt. There is no doubt that a magic weapon functions as a magic weapon. To include such a note would be redundant, wasteful, and confusing. With magic implements, armor, and music boxes there is less certainty. I will say that I personnally love the idea of using a shield as an improvised weapon, and do so with my grappling characters. The DM certainly has the ability to rule that a magic shield functions as a magic weapon for a wielder with Tavern Brawler. If a DM ruled as such for one of my characters, I would happily bash away with nary a complaint. It is my opinion that the weight of evidence is against this being the most consistent ruling, and that you are unlikely to benefit from such a ruling in an organized play environment such as Adventurers' League. That said, some DMs will be generous and roll with it. But expect table variation. [/QUOTE]

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