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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Istbor" data-source="post: 6971750" data-attributes="member: 6801670">I think you could do respectable damage, but in whole, that is not what I feel the build is about.  It is more for singling out a dangerous opponent(s) and locking them down.  Grappling and taking them down so that others in your group can gang up and get advantage.  It is about controlling a part of the field of combat so that those enemies need to focus on escaping you rather than damaging your more vulnerable companions. My current Fighter 6/ Rogue 1 grappler was built to take on casters.  Variant human gave me mobility, and fighter 6 gives me mage slayer. He can move swiftly across the battlefield and lock down any casters he can get his hands on. While he may sometimes take a beating himself, he can do decent damage with the longsword in his other hand, once the target is effectively grappled and pushed prone. The damage though, is not really what he is about, but that ability to latch onto a mage, and to cause the enemies to focus on him, or ignore him and basically say good bye to that magical support.</blockquote>