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<blockquote data-quote="kalani" data-source="post: 7032944" data-attributes="member: 88085"><p><strong>Regarding the "Grizzlyman" Build</strong></p><p>Since this thread has been recently necro'ed, I have found numerous problems with this build, that I would like to correct.</p><p></p><p>Multi-classing requires a minimum of 13 Strength and 13 Wisdom for this build. </p><p></p><p>While debatable, it is a fair interpretation that <em>longstrider</em> only affects your base humanoid speed, and not the speed of your character while in wildshape. This would be a DMs call as the rules aren't entirely clear one way or another.</p><p></p><p>You cannot substitute the bears attacks with grapples when using the <strong>Multiattack</strong> action. Unlike the <strong>Attack</strong> action, monsters cannot substitute the specified attacks with any other attack. A bears Multiattack is always a Claw + Bite. If the bear wants to use a grapple, they have to resort to the <strong>Attack</strong> action instead. One perk of the <strong>Multiattack</strong> action however, is the ability to <strong>Ready</strong> a multiattack. This cannot be done with <strong>Extra Attacks</strong> as you can only make additional attacks with this ability on your turn (limiting you to a single attack should you <strong>Ready</strong> the Attack action). </p><p></p><p>Neither the Claw nor Bite are finesse weapons. In fact, according to the Monster Manual and PHB errata, they aren't weapons at all. You cannot sneak attack with a Claw/Bite. Expertise, and other Rogue abilities more than make up for the lack of Sneak Attack however, although personally I would substitute levels in Bard instead (Cutting Words, bonus skills, and spell slot scaling); although the jumping abilities of the Thief Rogue does have a certain appeal if you want to combine the Wildshape with the Suplex build (jumping Earth Elementals anyone?)</p><p></p><p>While not erroneous, point of note is that like the Suplex Build, your viability in this form is limited by your Carrying Capacity which is only 480lbs in Giant Eagle form (16 x 30 = 480). If you were a goliath orc, or bugbear, this would double to 960lbs (Powerful Build FTW).</p><p></p><p>Minor error - Resist all except psychic.</p><p></p><p>While you can always bite while grappling an opponent, logic would dictate that you cannot make a claw attack while you have two enemies grappled in your paws (since you have grabbed an enemy with each claw). This is analogous to a humanoid being unable to make unarmed strikes with their fists while grappling two enemies (although they can still make unarmed strikes with other body parts as normal).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kalani, post: 7032944, member: 88085"] [B]Regarding the "Grizzlyman" Build[/B] Since this thread has been recently necro'ed, I have found numerous problems with this build, that I would like to correct. Multi-classing requires a minimum of 13 Strength and 13 Wisdom for this build. While debatable, it is a fair interpretation that [I]longstrider[/I] only affects your base humanoid speed, and not the speed of your character while in wildshape. This would be a DMs call as the rules aren't entirely clear one way or another. You cannot substitute the bears attacks with grapples when using the [B]Multiattack[/B] action. Unlike the [B]Attack[/B] action, monsters cannot substitute the specified attacks with any other attack. A bears Multiattack is always a Claw + Bite. If the bear wants to use a grapple, they have to resort to the [B]Attack[/B] action instead. One perk of the [B]Multiattack[/B] action however, is the ability to [B]Ready[/B] a multiattack. This cannot be done with [B]Extra Attacks[/B] as you can only make additional attacks with this ability on your turn (limiting you to a single attack should you [B]Ready[/B] the Attack action). Neither the Claw nor Bite are finesse weapons. In fact, according to the Monster Manual and PHB errata, they aren't weapons at all. You cannot sneak attack with a Claw/Bite. Expertise, and other Rogue abilities more than make up for the lack of Sneak Attack however, although personally I would substitute levels in Bard instead (Cutting Words, bonus skills, and spell slot scaling); although the jumping abilities of the Thief Rogue does have a certain appeal if you want to combine the Wildshape with the Suplex build (jumping Earth Elementals anyone?) While not erroneous, point of note is that like the Suplex Build, your viability in this form is limited by your Carrying Capacity which is only 480lbs in Giant Eagle form (16 x 30 = 480). If you were a goliath orc, or bugbear, this would double to 960lbs (Powerful Build FTW). Minor error - Resist all except psychic. While you can always bite while grappling an opponent, logic would dictate that you cannot make a claw attack while you have two enemies grappled in your paws (since you have grabbed an enemy with each claw). This is analogous to a humanoid being unable to make unarmed strikes with their fists while grappling two enemies (although they can still make unarmed strikes with other body parts as normal). [/QUOTE]
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