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<blockquote data-quote="BainIthron" data-source="post: 7611045" data-attributes="member: 6681089"><p>First thing to keep in mind is that this guide is sort-of out of date, and the guide was made before Xanathar's, and before the Shield Bash ruling in the PHB errata. So good on you on proposing using some of the new stuff.</p><p></p><p>The main advantage of Enlarge is less actually having to do with advantage on STR checks (There's a lot of ways you can get that advantage, some of which you pointed out), and more to increase the variety of creatures that you can grapple. Grapple and shove are limited to creatures that are one size larger than you, so if you can Enlarge from Medium to Large, then you can grapple/shove Huge creatures, which means then you can grapple/shove most of the creatures in the game. I mean there's Gargantuan creatures, but that's something that isn't common to encounter. However, you are a druid, so you have access to large creature forms.</p><p></p><p>And yeah, as not-barbarian, one of the main advantage you gain is freeing up the ability to concentrate at all, which means you can throw concentration spells into the mix, where as Barbarians have to choose between Concentration -or- Rage.</p><p></p><p>Now, as for the issues you're trying to solve for... I'm not that well read into druids, so I'd have to look again later, but is your build going to focus on your wildshape for grappling (I know you're doing the shepherds thing, but Wildshape isn't discounted just because you aren't a moon druid)? Since Wildshape changes all the equations. <s>Animal forms use their attacks from stats blocks (so extra attacks don't matter)</s> <strong>Edit:</strong> Oh I see, so they can still take attack action and get extra attacks... and grappling initiation is changed to key off attacks (though I don't think that bars you from taking Grapple actions).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BainIthron, post: 7611045, member: 6681089"] First thing to keep in mind is that this guide is sort-of out of date, and the guide was made before Xanathar's, and before the Shield Bash ruling in the PHB errata. So good on you on proposing using some of the new stuff. The main advantage of Enlarge is less actually having to do with advantage on STR checks (There's a lot of ways you can get that advantage, some of which you pointed out), and more to increase the variety of creatures that you can grapple. Grapple and shove are limited to creatures that are one size larger than you, so if you can Enlarge from Medium to Large, then you can grapple/shove Huge creatures, which means then you can grapple/shove most of the creatures in the game. I mean there's Gargantuan creatures, but that's something that isn't common to encounter. However, you are a druid, so you have access to large creature forms. And yeah, as not-barbarian, one of the main advantage you gain is freeing up the ability to concentrate at all, which means you can throw concentration spells into the mix, where as Barbarians have to choose between Concentration -or- Rage. Now, as for the issues you're trying to solve for... I'm not that well read into druids, so I'd have to look again later, but is your build going to focus on your wildshape for grappling (I know you're doing the shepherds thing, but Wildshape isn't discounted just because you aren't a moon druid)? Since Wildshape changes all the equations. [s]Animal forms use their attacks from stats blocks (so extra attacks don't matter)[/s] [B]Edit:[/B] Oh I see, so they can still take attack action and get extra attacks... and grappling initiation is changed to key off attacks (though I don't think that bars you from taking Grapple actions). [/QUOTE]
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