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<blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 6255177" data-attributes="member: 67338"><p>I see it as them saying "Hey that game we all played was awesome, but always had some flaws, we want to make a new edition and clean it up to play better at the table" nothing they said =crap... they showed the flaws they wanted to fix. If I make a new pen that doesn't explode ink ever, and say "Are you sick of pens exploding and getting ink your pockets?" that doesn't mean every pen ever exploded, or that they are crap... just that is what I improved.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>OK, even reading this I am a bit confused, and I am pretty smart and play ALOT of games... so lets break it down.</p><p></p><p>To grapple I provoke an attack of opp, then make a touch attack (seems straight forward so far) and if I hit is he then grappled? lets check...</p><p><a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/specialAttacks.htm" target="_blank">http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/specialAttacks.htm</a></p><p></p><p></p><p>so there is a lot there, lets just break it down...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>so that is pretty easy, they either do or don't get an attac of opp, and then if they damage you it stops, if not continue... with you so far.</p><p></p><p></p><p>make a touch attack check (although I agree with the video by now everyone at the table is board and mad)</p><p></p><p> wait what is a grapple check? I need to double check that now...</p><p></p><p> so now I get to back engenner the trolls grapple check...</p><p></p><p>trolls have +9 attack with there claws, and the base is +4 they have a str of 23 so that is +6 and they are large +4 so +14...ok now we roll... then what??</p><p></p><p> ok, so that doesn't matter till next round... </p><p></p><p>so what can a troll do if grappled?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GMforPowergamers, post: 6255177, member: 67338"] I see it as them saying "Hey that game we all played was awesome, but always had some flaws, we want to make a new edition and clean it up to play better at the table" nothing they said =crap... they showed the flaws they wanted to fix. If I make a new pen that doesn't explode ink ever, and say "Are you sick of pens exploding and getting ink your pockets?" that doesn't mean every pen ever exploded, or that they are crap... just that is what I improved. OK, even reading this I am a bit confused, and I am pretty smart and play ALOT of games... so lets break it down. To grapple I provoke an attack of opp, then make a touch attack (seems straight forward so far) and if I hit is he then grappled? lets check... [url]http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/specialAttacks.htm[/url] so there is a lot there, lets just break it down... so that is pretty easy, they either do or don't get an attac of opp, and then if they damage you it stops, if not continue... with you so far. make a touch attack check (although I agree with the video by now everyone at the table is board and mad) wait what is a grapple check? I need to double check that now... so now I get to back engenner the trolls grapple check... trolls have +9 attack with there claws, and the base is +4 they have a str of 23 so that is +6 and they are large +4 so +14...ok now we roll... then what?? ok, so that doesn't matter till next round... so what can a troll do if grappled? [/QUOTE]
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