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<blockquote data-quote="Gorgon Zee" data-source="post: 6259803" data-attributes="member: 75787"><p><span style="color: #000000"><em><img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" /> Originally Posted by Herschel <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?p=6257546#post6257546" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" /></a></em></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><em>The game was moving in the right direction and is now taking a step backwards and in a wrong direction. This is why I can't support it.</em></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><em></em></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><em>Isn't this fun?</em></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><em></em></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p></p><p>And mine, and my wife's, but not my son's and his friends are about split evenly. My gaming groups mostly don't play D&D, but those who do have switched to 13th Age and Pathfinder about evenly.</p><p></p><p>It's almost like some ... <span style="color: #000000"><em>Great D&D Schism</em>! Maybe even <em>The End of an age and the scattering of gamers</em>.</span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span><span style="color: #000000">Except that's uber-melodramatic. I don't see a lot of difference between this and the fragmenting of TV audiences. If Gilligan's Island is the only show in town, that's what everyone will watch. Even if most prefer other types of show. Once it becomes sufficiently cheap to let people watch something else, the market naturally fragments.</span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">In the 80s/90s I had very little choice in fantasy games. Of the big 3-4 I liked MERP and Rolemaster the best, so that's what I played. Basically my list of "fantasy role-playing games I would play in order" ran: "Rolemaster, D&D." D&D was my second choice and I played it occasionally. Now there are dozens of systems with enough support so my list for fantasy would be "13th Age, Numenera, Savage Worlds, 4e, Pathfinder, 3.5, AD&D" and that competes with a list of non-fantasy games VASTLY larger than in so-called "golden ages". That boils down to the same game moving from second on my list of things I'd like to play to not making the top ten.</span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">A golden age is simply lack of choice forcing everyone to enjoy the same thing a moderate amount, rather than a schism age where people enjoy different things much more. Lamenting the change is like lamenting a time when everyone ate vanilla ice-cream because chocolate ice-cream had not been invented.</span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gorgon Zee, post: 6259803, member: 75787"] [COLOR=#000000][I][IMG]http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png[/IMG] Originally Posted by Herschel [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?p=6257546#post6257546"][IMG]http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png[/IMG][/URL] The game was moving in the right direction and is now taking a step backwards and in a wrong direction. This is why I can't support it. Isn't this fun? [/I] [/COLOR] And mine, and my wife's, but not my son's and his friends are about split evenly. My gaming groups mostly don't play D&D, but those who do have switched to 13th Age and Pathfinder about evenly. It's almost like some ... [COLOR=#000000][I]Great D&D Schism[/I]! Maybe even [I]The End of an age and the scattering of gamers[/I]. [/COLOR][COLOR=#000000]Except that's uber-melodramatic. I don't see a lot of difference between this and the fragmenting of TV audiences. If Gilligan's Island is the only show in town, that's what everyone will watch. Even if most prefer other types of show. Once it becomes sufficiently cheap to let people watch something else, the market naturally fragments. In the 80s/90s I had very little choice in fantasy games. Of the big 3-4 I liked MERP and Rolemaster the best, so that's what I played. Basically my list of "fantasy role-playing games I would play in order" ran: "Rolemaster, D&D." D&D was my second choice and I played it occasionally. Now there are dozens of systems with enough support so my list for fantasy would be "13th Age, Numenera, Savage Worlds, 4e, Pathfinder, 3.5, AD&D" and that competes with a list of non-fantasy games VASTLY larger than in so-called "golden ages". That boils down to the same game moving from second on my list of things I'd like to play to not making the top ten. A golden age is simply lack of choice forcing everyone to enjoy the same thing a moderate amount, rather than a schism age where people enjoy different things much more. Lamenting the change is like lamenting a time when everyone ate vanilla ice-cream because chocolate ice-cream had not been invented. [/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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