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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9760532" data-attributes="member: 6790260">Unfortunately, no, I do not.I fully agree with your examples and frequently bring that up in conversations about this. My usual, similar &quot;this is obviously extreme&quot; example is saying that a player &quot;can&quot; do something, and then forcing the player to make three nat-20 rolls in a row before it can succeed.The GM needs to be honest about whether things are possible. If they aren't being honest about that, then yes, they're railroading. If they are being honest about it, if they are in fact laying their cards on the table and telling the players where they're coming from, why, and what interest they have, where is the railroading?If I tell my players, &quot;I don't personally think that this makes sense. Can you explain it to me?&quot; or &quot;Hmm...that just doesn't seem reasonable. Sell me on it?&quot;, but they give me an explanation that I don't particularly find satisfying...is that still &quot;railroading&quot; if I then just say &quot;no&quot;? I would not say so, and any definition of &quot;railroading&quot; which would include that seems, to me, to be so overwhelmingly over-broad that it catches tons of things I would never call &quot;railroading&quot;.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 9760532, member: 6790260"] Unfortunately, no, I do not. I fully agree with your examples and frequently bring that up in conversations about this. My usual, similar "this is obviously extreme" example is saying that a player "can" do something, and then forcing the player to make three nat-20 rolls in a row before it can succeed. The GM needs to be honest about whether things are possible. If they aren't being honest about that, then yes, they're railroading. If they [I]are[/I] being honest about it, if they are in fact laying their cards on the table and telling the players where they're coming from, why, and what interest they have, where is the railroading? If I tell my players, "I don't personally think that this makes sense. Can you explain it to me?" or "Hmm...that just doesn't seem reasonable. Sell me on it?", but they give me an explanation that I don't particularly find satisfying...is that still "railroading" if I then just say "no"? I would not say so, and any definition of "railroading" which [I]would[/I] include that seems, to me, to be so overwhelmingly over-broad that it catches tons of things I would never call "railroading". [/QUOTE]

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