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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9760870" data-attributes="member: 6790260"><p>Because you said that a GM having things they like and thus think would be cool to have in their game is railroading.</p><p></p><p>Or at least that's where your examples keep pointing, whether or not that was your intent.</p><p></p><p>Because when you say things like...</p><p></p><p><em>Especially</em> after you have (repeatedly) said that all games feature tons of railroading...what am I supposed to think?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Because that's exactly what the issue is...?</p><p></p><p>If you knowingly consent to something, you're not being coerced or manipulated. But no, there are absolutely some things which cannot be done openly. Fudging dice, for example, specifically requires that it be done secretly. If you do it openly, you aren't fudging, you're just choosing to ignore the dice. So it's incorrect to say that this makes everything the same. The very fact that it must be done openly and with consent forbids some behaviors and requires other behaviors.</p><p></p><p>And it's not like this is the only area of life where consent makes all the difference. The exact same action is theft at a bookstore and correct library usage at a library. I eat my family's food despite not having paid for it myself, which would be theft if I did not have consent to do so, but is perfectly acceptable because I do. Trespassing is a crime that a legitimate owner or resident literally cannot commit <em>because</em> they have consent. Plenty of other things, their legality or legitimacy <em>specifically</em> hinge on whether or not consent has been granted. This isn't some insane whackadoodle standard. It's how a <em>huge</em> chunk of actual IRL practice works.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 9760870, member: 6790260"] Because you said that a GM having things they like and thus think would be cool to have in their game is railroading. Or at least that's where your examples keep pointing, whether or not that was your intent. Because when you say things like... [I]Especially[/I] after you have (repeatedly) said that all games feature tons of railroading...what am I supposed to think? Because that's exactly what the issue is...? If you knowingly consent to something, you're not being coerced or manipulated. But no, there are absolutely some things which cannot be done openly. Fudging dice, for example, specifically requires that it be done secretly. If you do it openly, you aren't fudging, you're just choosing to ignore the dice. So it's incorrect to say that this makes everything the same. The very fact that it must be done openly and with consent forbids some behaviors and requires other behaviors. And it's not like this is the only area of life where consent makes all the difference. The exact same action is theft at a bookstore and correct library usage at a library. I eat my family's food despite not having paid for it myself, which would be theft if I did not have consent to do so, but is perfectly acceptable because I do. Trespassing is a crime that a legitimate owner or resident literally cannot commit [I]because[/I] they have consent. Plenty of other things, their legality or legitimacy [I]specifically[/I] hinge on whether or not consent has been granted. This isn't some insane whackadoodle standard. It's how a [I]huge[/I] chunk of actual IRL practice works. [/QUOTE]
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