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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 9761333" data-attributes="member: 23751">Sorry dude.  You don't get to appropriate a definition that is very different than the one you've been using and try to absorb it into your own.So wait.  If they choose to go where you wanted them to go, you forced them to be there even though you didn't do a darn thing to get them there?The fact that they had several choices and chose the one you wanted doesn't make it a railroad just because you wanted them to be there.  They picked one choice among many, which is all it takes for them to have complete agency.Yes it does take the removal of all agency to force them to be where you wanted them to be against their wishes.If you don't, they have a good chance of not going there.  Influence =/= making them go there against their wishes.They have to have no choice.  There have been instances where a PC has tried something so incredibly hard, that I said that it would only work on a 20.  That wasn't a railroad.  That was me generously letting it have a 5% chance to succeed.Time skips don't take away any meaningful choices or information.  The player doesn't need to know that there are 26435151 pebbles in sight, 167 trees, with 44 of them being pine, etc. every step of the journey in order to not be railroaded.Honestly, because I started off only asking it when it was a choice that would be a bad one the PC should be aware of.  Then I realized the influence, so since they were used to me asking and it would be weird to just stop, I started asking in other situations.  They quickly caught on and it no longer had any influence.To do what?  The question doesn't clue them in to whether or not it's good, bad or neutral, so they just discount it.  It has no influence.No, because it wasn't guaranteed to work.  Depending on how much you influence the group, you are probably reducing their agency, but since you aren't removing it, it's not a railroad.  To be a railroad they can have no choice whatsoever to go in a different direction than you want.You put a thumb on my steering wheel while I'm driving and you aren't going to influence me to do anything other than kick you out of the car.  You certainly aren't moving the wheel.  It takes far more than a thumb.</blockquote>

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