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The Great Wheel Cosmology as an "assumed part of a D&D world"
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<blockquote data-quote="Majoru Oakheart" data-source="post: 3805289" data-attributes="member: 5143"><p>This is mostly from memory (and I started playing after 2nd edition comes out, so some of it is working backwards):</p><p></p><p>The Great Wheel was introduced in the 1st edition Manual of the Planes(Edit: I just remembered it was in the 1E PHB first). Since it was in the generic Manual of the Planes, it became the "default" cosmology for D&D at the time. I don't know if any of the 1st Edition campaign settings specified a different cosmology or not. I know Greyhawk used the Great Wheel.</p><p></p><p>When 2nd Edition came out, the Great Wheel was already the default and was made more prominent as the default cosmology. Even before Planescape came out, Forgotten Realms and Greyhawk were both using the Great Wheel.</p><p></p><p>Since 2nd Edition was the edition of the Grand Unifying Theory of D&D, it's when all the products (in one book or another) where specified as belonging to the same universe under the Great Wheel. All of the Prime Material worlds all had the same Outer Planes and the gods of Greyhawk, Forgotten Realms, and Dragonlance were assumed to live in the same places (and some of them to actually BE the same gods with different names). The Prime worlds were all reachable by portals, plane shifting magic, and Spelljamming vessels. Although Athas was often described as having no natural portals to other worlds and to be so remote compared to Realmspace, Greyspace, and Krynnspace that no one knew how to get there via Spelljamming. This is also(if I have the timing correct) when a bunch of the smaller settings were put into the Forgotten Realms as other continents.</p><p></p><p>I know that since I grew up playing in 2nd Edition(including games set in homebrew worlds, and all the major campaign worlds, and spelljammer and planescape), I've just always been under the assumption that ALL worlds were in the Great Wheel and that that assumption was part of D&D.</p><p></p><p>When 3rd Ed came out and all the worlds started getting their own cosmology, that assumption was broken and I just figured life went on and we played a different D&D now. It will change again next edition.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Majoru Oakheart, post: 3805289, member: 5143"] This is mostly from memory (and I started playing after 2nd edition comes out, so some of it is working backwards): The Great Wheel was introduced in the 1st edition Manual of the Planes(Edit: I just remembered it was in the 1E PHB first). Since it was in the generic Manual of the Planes, it became the "default" cosmology for D&D at the time. I don't know if any of the 1st Edition campaign settings specified a different cosmology or not. I know Greyhawk used the Great Wheel. When 2nd Edition came out, the Great Wheel was already the default and was made more prominent as the default cosmology. Even before Planescape came out, Forgotten Realms and Greyhawk were both using the Great Wheel. Since 2nd Edition was the edition of the Grand Unifying Theory of D&D, it's when all the products (in one book or another) where specified as belonging to the same universe under the Great Wheel. All of the Prime Material worlds all had the same Outer Planes and the gods of Greyhawk, Forgotten Realms, and Dragonlance were assumed to live in the same places (and some of them to actually BE the same gods with different names). The Prime worlds were all reachable by portals, plane shifting magic, and Spelljamming vessels. Although Athas was often described as having no natural portals to other worlds and to be so remote compared to Realmspace, Greyspace, and Krynnspace that no one knew how to get there via Spelljamming. This is also(if I have the timing correct) when a bunch of the smaller settings were put into the Forgotten Realms as other continents. I know that since I grew up playing in 2nd Edition(including games set in homebrew worlds, and all the major campaign worlds, and spelljammer and planescape), I've just always been under the assumption that ALL worlds were in the Great Wheel and that that assumption was part of D&D. When 3rd Ed came out and all the worlds started getting their own cosmology, that assumption was broken and I just figured life went on and we played a different D&D now. It will change again next edition. [/QUOTE]
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