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Message: <blockquote data-quote="schroederlance" data-source="post: 3806018" data-attributes="member: 29292">First, the Great Wheel is considered by some, including the OP, as being just as key to D&D's unique 30 year history as the crunchy elements of the PHB classes and races. It may not be a Sacred Cow to you, but to those of us who have used it extensively, it is one. The Great Wheel is Greyhawk's, true, but it is also every other setting's before Eberron. Forgotten Realms ret-conned their cosmology after 3.0 was already out, so the 'once said' comment you make is not acurate. You make it sound like the Realms never stated it either way and that they were just shoe-horned into the Great Wheel. It was explicit in any book dealing with FR gods. For example: Faiths & Avatars (2E FR God Book) shows the plane/domain name for each FR god, including dead ones. Turning to a random god entry: 'Amaunator (DEAD): Domain Name: Mechanus/Keep of the Eternal Sun.' Just because they chose to ignore or change the printed history of the setting in 3.0 does not mean that they only hinted at a Realms/Great Wheel connection. It is right there in black and white.Dark Sun was never retconned into the Great Wheel. It was there all along, with the understanding that it was virtually impossible to access the sphere of Athas becuase of the Grey.Dragonlance used the Great Wheel, though the average scholar from Krynn didn't have the 'facts' about the cosmology correct. The Gods all had domains within the Great Wheel, just like the Realms gods did. The setting wasn't 'warm to the concept' of the Great Wheel because it just didn't focus on the planar aspect of D&D. Thats not what the setting was about.I'll simply state that the above statement is misinformed. From 'The Book of Priestcraft' for the Birthright setting I'll again choose a random god. Page 17:HaelynLord of Noble War, Lawmaker, Patron of AnuireGreater Power of Mount Celestia, LG.......Domain Name: Honor's Glory/Mount Celestia...Birthright did not suffer from a lacking cosmology or a 'lack of definition'. The inhabitants of the setting were simply too busy dealing with mortal affairs to worry much about the planes. The planes were there whether they cared about them or not. This statement I will agree with. I too hope that the exceptions are just that 'exceptions' and not the rule.</blockquote>

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