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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9772249" data-attributes="member: 7030563"><p>I don't think you see fewer Wizards because they are boring, or because they are weak. I think the reason you see few Wizards is the reliance on Intelligence. Being a Wizard forces you to take a high Intelligence and that is not very attractive for three reasons:</p><p></p><p>1. Intelligence is the least mechanically valuable ability overall. In a point buy game it is universally dumped by everyone not playing a Wizard or Artificer. Even most Eldritch Knights dump Intelligence. It is the weakest of the four saves and the skills tied to it are mediocre.</p><p></p><p>2. Intelligence is not fun in RP. Charisma is king of the Roleplay abilities. Then Dex, Wisdom and Strength. Intelligence only beats Constitution.</p><p></p><p>3. It is a very difficult multiclass and this is even more so when you look at mechanical synergies in 2024. The class that has the most mechanical synergy with Wizard is Paladin, but this is a very difficult multiclass unless you roll at least one 15 and 2 more scores of 14+ and even if you do manage that; if Paladin is your main class Bard, Sorcerer or Warlock is still going to work better. Ranger is the second best in terms of mechanical synergy and that is a little easier than Paladin but not a lot easier. On the other hand Charisma and Wisdom are great stats with a wide range of multiclass options, making classes that use these stats more desirable.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 9772249, member: 7030563"] I don't think you see fewer Wizards because they are boring, or because they are weak. I think the reason you see few Wizards is the reliance on Intelligence. Being a Wizard forces you to take a high Intelligence and that is not very attractive for three reasons: 1. Intelligence is the least mechanically valuable ability overall. In a point buy game it is universally dumped by everyone not playing a Wizard or Artificer. Even most Eldritch Knights dump Intelligence. It is the weakest of the four saves and the skills tied to it are mediocre. 2. Intelligence is not fun in RP. Charisma is king of the Roleplay abilities. Then Dex, Wisdom and Strength. Intelligence only beats Constitution. 3. It is a very difficult multiclass and this is even more so when you look at mechanical synergies in 2024. The class that has the most mechanical synergy with Wizard is Paladin, but this is a very difficult multiclass unless you roll at least one 15 and 2 more scores of 14+ and even if you do manage that; if Paladin is your main class Bard, Sorcerer or Warlock is still going to work better. Ranger is the second best in terms of mechanical synergy and that is a little easier than Paladin but not a lot easier. On the other hand Charisma and Wisdom are great stats with a wide range of multiclass options, making classes that use these stats more desirable. [/QUOTE]
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