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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9772997" data-attributes="member: 7030563">It might be, but the Cleric in the example is getting a 25% chance to hit without any bonus against a high AC.What Cleric spell are you going to cast with a 1st level slot that does automatic damage on a failed save?  I don't know of any.There are a few 1st level AOEs and spells from other classes that do this, but I don't think they are beating Bless either over 3 rounds either even with a failed save. Dissonant Whispers and Burning Hands do 10.5 on a failed save, which would still be less over 3 rounds than using Bless.What spell are you going to use for this?This argument works against any 1st level offensive spell you could use and it also assumes the Blessed characters are not getting any other damage bonuses.Like I said that is the same for any 1st level offensive spell I can think of, Cleric or not.They will not have a negative effect because a hit is always more damage than a missWith a failed save or a vex weapon regardless of the save, but both the first hit and the attacks with advantage are more likely with Bless.If the enemy is a humanoid, yes obviously, but that is a 2nd level spell and a lot more conditional due to the creature type requirement.If you are looking at 1st level control spells I would say Tasha's Hideous Laughter is the one to compare it to and I would put it ahead of Bless even with the repeated saves with advantage on each hit, but not a Cleric spell so we are still searching for something a Cleric can cast at level 1 to outperform Bless.</blockquote>

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