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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9773249" data-attributes="member: 7030563"><p>Because comparing Bless against Spirit Guardians or Gaurdian of Faith is kind of irrelevant.</p><p></p><p>Your hypothesis implies is Bless is a waste, a waste of an action and a waste of resources. Comparing it to a high level spell is not much value.</p><p></p><p>Are we going to say Hold Person or Fear is a useless spell because Wish is better?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Burning hands is a very small AOE with 10 damage on a failed save. It is possible it will do better, but not likely.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well against multiple foes Bless is better than virtually any spell that targets a single creature for 1 round. The AOEs are nice, but in terms of damage you need a failed save and a reaction and positioned to get them and even with them, I still don't think that is going to outdamage Bless over 3 rounds.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>2024 Command is an extremely powerful spell and a better spell than Bless generally, even at 1st level and it also upcasts extremely well. Buyt in a direct comparison in terms of damage it is not going to fair well. Bless is +1d4 on every attack 3 characters make while the cleric maintains concentration. Command is going to take an enemy out of the fight on a failed save and potentially give AOOs or give melee characters advantage for 1 turn, but that is not going to be as much damage as Bless will provide over 3 rounds, especially considering the damage lost in round 1 because the Cleric did not attack.</p><p></p><p>Also "Cower" is not usable any more in 2024 FWIW.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It reduces the difference in damage, but the damage will be higher using Bless than not using Bless and attacking (with Blessed Strikes).</p><p></p><p>Which brings up another point - I blessed the Cleric and 2 Fighters that did not use any resources or damage buffs in the example. If I blessed a Rogue or a Monk the difference would have been quite a bit greater.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It is not the best for all situations and I never said it was. I took issue with the statement that attacking or using a Cantrip is always better. I do not think that is the case, as a matter of fact it is rarely the case.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 9773249, member: 7030563"] Because comparing Bless against Spirit Guardians or Gaurdian of Faith is kind of irrelevant. Your hypothesis implies is Bless is a waste, a waste of an action and a waste of resources. Comparing it to a high level spell is not much value. Are we going to say Hold Person or Fear is a useless spell because Wish is better? Burning hands is a very small AOE with 10 damage on a failed save. It is possible it will do better, but not likely. Well against multiple foes Bless is better than virtually any spell that targets a single creature for 1 round. The AOEs are nice, but in terms of damage you need a failed save and a reaction and positioned to get them and even with them, I still don't think that is going to outdamage Bless over 3 rounds. 2024 Command is an extremely powerful spell and a better spell than Bless generally, even at 1st level and it also upcasts extremely well. Buyt in a direct comparison in terms of damage it is not going to fair well. Bless is +1d4 on every attack 3 characters make while the cleric maintains concentration. Command is going to take an enemy out of the fight on a failed save and potentially give AOOs or give melee characters advantage for 1 turn, but that is not going to be as much damage as Bless will provide over 3 rounds, especially considering the damage lost in round 1 because the Cleric did not attack. Also "Cower" is not usable any more in 2024 FWIW. It reduces the difference in damage, but the damage will be higher using Bless than not using Bless and attacking (with Blessed Strikes). Which brings up another point - I blessed the Cleric and 2 Fighters that did not use any resources or damage buffs in the example. If I blessed a Rogue or a Monk the difference would have been quite a bit greater. It is not the best for all situations and I never said it was. I took issue with the statement that attacking or using a Cantrip is always better. I do not think that is the case, as a matter of fact it is rarely the case. [/QUOTE]
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