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Message: <blockquote data-quote="UngeheuerLich" data-source="post: 9775914" data-attributes="member: 59057">That looks like orc has 3 times as many hp in 5e than 2e...Ogre has about 3 times as much hp than a 2e ogre. Gnoll too. 5e MM deal 3 times as much damage as 2e one. Checks out. Please tell me something I do not know.Yes.A level 1 wizard was totally crap except for the one sleep spell. 2 times if you were a specialist. In 5e you can at least cast the magic missile spell 3 times a day and you have cantrips. You make a big mistake comparing spells this way:You can only really compare spells at the exact level where you gain it and one lev thereafter maybe.5e spell system is fundamently different than 2e or 3e, because spells don't scale with caster level. And even if upcast, the damage gain is usually not keeping up with spells that are naturally higher level.So comparing magic missile at level 3+ is fundamently flawed. Of course, a spell that naturally deals 2d4+2 damage will comparatively outdamage a spell that is comparable to a 1d4+1 spell.And everyone can see that if you upcast it by even adding 1d4+1 to 3d4+3 is not the same than adding 1d4+1 to 1d4+1(that is 100% increase for free vs 33.3% increase for an extra investment).So I am really confused about what you try to prove here with calculations that everyone can do in their head.To disaprove something noone even slightly hinted at?For your convenience: I said, 3d4+3 automatic damage is a serious threat to a level 1 PC. Not more, not less.And before that, ECMO sad that magic missile, due to his totally unrealistic assumption of Monsters having AC22 to prove how well bless performs said, that magic missile in this situation is nearly as good as a bless spell.</blockquote>

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